Shantotto Ascension

[Cesaria]

Went 1/2 on this with RNG SAM THF WHM WHM RDM... positioned it kinda like a Shantotto sandwich with Domina at the door being poked to death by melee and tanked by SAM, WHMs at outer edge(ish) of casting range, and RDM playing with Belle in the circle. Meant RDM could cast on WHMs if they got hit with too many status ailments and WHMs were esuna/curaga spamming.

First run we failed because basically paralyze ate us alive - second went pretty smootly, but, as with so many BCs - it's ye'olde Die At Door syndrome - get BLM dead at all costs (think it had 2 benedictions, eagle eye shot and meikyo sushi hurled at it) and white one is pretty squishy after that.

Fun cutscenes afterwards and someone really needs to take that taru's chemistry set away from her before she causes any more bother. Not the greatest cutscene in the world like it's being made out to be though

Belle's shadowbindable btw if that's not been posted yet.

[Xanthe]

Did the final fight on Saturday night with SMN/WHM x3, RDM/NIN, SCH/RDM (me), SAM/NIN. RDM held W. Shantotto in the main arena until she assisted D. Shantotto around 50%. SMNs kept avatars on D. Shantotto until she was dead, resummoning as necessary. SAM assisted SMNs. Once D. Shantotto was down the process repeated for W. Shantotto. Fight went smooth until towards the very end when I found myself too close to the action and got stunned. In the end only myself and another SMN died, my part due to pulling hate from a large number of Accessioned Cure IVs. Never at any point were we forced to wipe.

I ended up choosing Blitzer Poleyns with Haste+3%/Accuracy+7 since it would best compliment a switch to Walahra Turban/Blitz Ring once I finish Gungnir. I'll still keep my Homam Cosciales around for /mage and /NIN Utsusemi casts.

[Kaibelf]

Ah I did not know this wasn't common knowledge? We brought in 2 people without ASA, and they both got the godly buffs. The only thing we surmised was that whoever starts it? Or those not on the mission get the buffs of those with the mission, that is if you don't have all tablets and have ASA you don't get all buffs. Yet if you don't have ASA, but the person who initiates the BCNM has all tablets, you get all buffs.

Whether this is true or not, no clue. Just what we assumed. (The four of us made sure to get all 16 tablets to make it as easy as possible)

From what I've heard (yet to test first-hand but I shall), those who are done or not on the mission receive the buffs of the person in the group who's on the mission with the least number of hexes. Someone mentioned to me that one person was missing 2 of them, but they were itching to start, and the helpers also were lacking barthunder and something else small. It wasn't 100% clear if the person with 14/16 was the trigger-man though, so I want to find out myself.

[Gawayne]

A few observations after a few experiments last night:

-the 2hr mode where both Shantottos converge on the same target regardless of hate/kiting seems to be one-time only; if you wipe after this has been triggered, you won't see it again the second time and can safely kite the other Shantotto without her running off.

-if White Shantotto is the first to reach low HP (around 25%), both Shantottos seem to start spamming Meteor (!); for this reason alone I would suggest taking down D.Shantotto first, unless you can zerg her fast enough that you won't wipe to Meteor.

-D.Shantotto's rage mode seems to kick in every 25% or so (need confirmation), giving a massive damage reduction of about 80% that seems to last up to a minute (confirmation?), during which she spams her WSes and AoE debuffs

[Bakthi]

Sorry if this has been posted, but I've been keeping up with the thread and didn't see it.

Has anyone tried to get another Chocobo/Tonberry key? For ACP, you had to get all of the key items again if you wanted another key to hand in, but that mini required you to get all of them to enter the first time. This one doesn't, so do you just have to get one key item? or can you even get another key at all?

[nitsuj]

1/1 on Saturday, SMN SMN SMN SMN RDM SCH

The SMN plan makes this fight a joke, if everyone knows what they're doing.

RDM solo tanked one while the SMN's killed the other one, SCH spammed cure/phalanx/stoneskin. 10-11 minute fight, I believe.

[Corrderio]

Sorry if this has been posted, but I've been keeping up with the thread and didn't see it.

Has anyone tried to get another Chocobo/Tonberry key? For ACP, you had to get all of the key items again if you wanted another key to hand in, but that mini required you to get all of them to enter the first time. This one doesn't, so do you just have to get one key item? or can you even get another key at all?

I went again and got another Tonberry Key, though I was 16/16 since one of my friends needed to get key items.

[Deimos]

I went again and got another Tonberry Key, though I was 16/16 since one of my friends needed to get key items.

I'm very interested in if you can go 0/16 and get another Tonberry Key. The belts coming from that key have some extreme potential. There are reports of the mage belt getting INT and/or MND +5, as well as Magic Accuracy up to +4. With a good combination that'll beat a Witch Sash. The melee belt also has the potential to beat Swift.

[Corrderio]

I'm very interested in if you can go 0/16 and get another Tonberry Key. The belts coming from that key have some extreme potential. There are reports of the mage belt getting INT and/or MND +5, as well as Magic Accuracy up to +4. With a good combination that'll beat a Witch Sash. The melee belt also has the potential to beat Swift.

Agreed, if I could get INT/MND +5 on that it'd be an awesome nuke piece for BLU.

[Onorgul]

If you just want INT/MND, I got a Rainbow Obi with MP+10, INT+5, MND+4 from my daily Azure Key spamming.

[AnonRamuh]

Previous examples of movement speed stacking have shown that movement speed gear does not stack. For example Hermes' Sandals + Crimson Cuisses give you +12% (or 12.5% specifically) movement speed. Has anyone tested to make sure these new Shantotto pants also do not stack?

[lolwut]

Yes, it was mentioned in another thread that pants don't stack with Herald's.

[Aumaan_Kujata]

As far as information toward a few of the unresolved questions:

I repeated the fight a day after winning it, and didn't recollect any of the hexes. One of the people on the fight for the first time missed the HP hex. I still gained all 16 buffs. (Also vaguely interesting, the guy missing the HP hex was a SMN and his bloodpacts didn't do super-crazy-damage like the other 3 SMNs'- I'm not 100% sure that HP was the only one he was missing, though.) The guy missing the hex was not the person that started the fight, or the party leader.

I did not get a new key after the win, with 0/16 hexes (and it was not the same JP day that I cleared it the first time, so that wasn't the blocker). So you need to refarm at least one hex (and probably 16, knowing Square), to get another shot at a cool belt.

[AnonRamuh]

Yes, it was mentioned in another thread that pants don't stack with Herald's.

thank you

[Foldypaws]

For whoever was saying BLU did good damage in this fight, I'd be really interested to know what spells they were using to do it, because the Big 3 weren't doing anything special outside of rage mode and once rage was on they did *terrible*. (Disseverment for 0, and I was eating sushi so I know it wasn't an acc issue, FR for ~100)

And I have a pretty damn good BLU physical casting set up.

That said, BLU/NIN was fine for holding the second shantotto and I could help out with some 600ish Magic Fruits, and AoE Attack Boost to help punch through raged defense for the melees.

[Amarok!]

Our party went 1/2 on this fight. First time we went mnk/nin x2, sam/nin, whm/sch, whm/sch, rdm/nin. We pulled BLM to door with RDM kiting WHM, but got stung with para, plague and silence (remedies didn't clear plague), and a couple of times the WHMs pulled hate with curaga IV. DDs were wasting time trying to get shadows back up. We wiped with BLM at 6%, and by the time we RR she was back at 60% and we ran out of time.

2nd time we changed the setup to sam/war, rng/sam, blu/nin, smn/whm, whm/sch x2. Blu kited WHM nd RNG (me) stayed out of range with the WHMs. This time our WHMs did Solace and Cure V spam on the SAM who pretty much was taking the brunt of the beatings (at one point was down to 400hp even with 2x WHM Cure V spamming with Stoneskin effect). We tried to save our 2hrs until after rage wore off (not sure if we managed this), BLM died without hanging onto 1% so rage must have worn, and we proceeded to take down the WHM. We needed a benediction during the WHM fight as something she was doing was hitting both close DDs and stun was hitting the WHMs.

I ended up doing Shadowbind on the WHM when BLM was at 75% which worked, but the BLU was able to re-kite her until 50% so it would probably have been better to have waited until 50% to shadowbind.

In the end we won without a single member death, plenty of MP left (no elixer's or leuitenants cape used) and had 20 mins left to spare.


*edit*: just noticed in the logs that the SAM did berzerk at start of fight. Also saw that Garuda did 2318 dmg with predator claws on the whm.

[Edgeworth]

For whoever was saying BLU did good damage in this fight, I'd be really interested to know what spells they were using to do it, because the Big 3 weren't doing anything special outside of rage mode and once rage was on they did *terrible*. (Disseverment for 0, and I was eating sushi so I know it wasn't an acc issue, FR for ~100)

Disseverment and Hysteric Barrage were sucking for me too, SA Cannonball was pulling the highest numbers for me 600-700ish, with my best hitting just over 2600, under Azure Lore of course.

[Anomander]

Disseverment and Hysteric Barrage were sucking for me too.

This. Went into this fight with 2 sam (one /nin lol), 2 blu, and 2 whm. Both blu were subbing /nin, had no idea what to expect (didn't try looking anything up yet, was the second night). The big three were royally sucking, and as a result the blu were basically keeping the sams alive with some magic fruits(well, mostly me since I was /war and pulling the most hate).

Fairly certain a 4 sam/2 whm set up would completely beast on this fight. With the set up above, we wound up wiping the first time due to having no clue what to expect, and the rage mode gang rape totally smashed us. Recovered, had one whm hold the white shantotto in the circle while we took down the blm. Was far easier the second time, white shantotto didn't run at us until black shantotto was at 10 percent, so she basically pulled herself. The ending cutscene was hilarious, btw.

[Xanthe]

Disseverment and Hysteric Barrage were sucking for me too, SA Cannonball was pulling the highest numbers for me 600-700ish, with my best hitting just over 2600, under Azure Lore of course.

Cannonball performing well isn't that surprising considering it is one hit and gets the benefit of STR+150, VIT+150 on 50% mods, and the incidental DEF+75 from the VIT hex. The "big 3" don't see nearly the same benefit.

[Hanyoko]

With boosts like that, I wonder how some Eyes on Me would do