Summoner's Spats Change

[Tomino]

I think the most important thing to learn on SMN is to understand how everything relates to the feeble evoker. Basically you make use of strong pets while being a weak, easily oneshottable master : making the best of your vulnerability makes avatars last longer and be more useful.
Example are :
- Oneshotted by AoE because you ran to the party to BP as the mob was doing its WS.
- Paralyzied / Petrified / whatever by a mob's WS (either conal, sight or AoE) wasting the BP you were doing.
- Hate control because you resummoned and cured in the meanwhile and so your new avatar can't grab the mob off you.
- Managing summoning casting time and distance between you and the mob.

All these things I believe are not really related to exp parties. You are way too much protected in a standard exp situation.
And that's why levelling SMN to 75 was terribly boring and such. You only start to play with what makes the job unique when you face BCNMs, Missions and endgame.

This is why those who soloed Bombs are a different story. Soloing takes a lot of management between master and pet and can teach a lot I believe.

[Spira]

And yet you people still cannot provide an example, go figure.

Fine you want an example?

SMN soloing bombs/snolls/djinn.
You have to have tried it to understand the intricacies of avatar/player hate management there - its something no guide however detailed can ever explain.

I know, because I wrote the best one there ever is.

edit: (and after reading the rest of the thread after quoted post) yes, bomb soloing is no longer necessary given the numerous more effective ways to get exp now.. but it still teaches you the intricacies of the job more than any of these other methods ever could.

[Taruking]

FUCK I HAVE BEEN TROLLED

Seriously, you need to do more reading you idiot, if you don't know what sword skill does to PLD you shouldn't even post your stupid comment.

[Ivve]

You can't use RDM tanking as an example because playing support RDM in exp party does not teach you the skill needed to play RDM tank,

That's... exactly the point that's being made here. You don't need 75 levels of EXP parties to learn how to be proficient in using your job in a particular manner.

Seriously, you need to do more reading you idiot, if you don't know what sword skill does to PLD you shouldn't even post your stupid comment.

Sweetheart, have you ever heard of a skill up party? It's not really viable for shield, but for sword, capping your skill shouldn't take more than a few hours.

[Byrthnoth]

I don't think of partying from 10-75 imparts wisdom about a job, but it probably does weed out the players that really suck at their jobs or don't actually like the job enough to have it at 75. It's no fun to be told that you suck at a job by multiple parties, or have to play a job you don't really like.
However, the funny part is that people are complaining that ABers lacking the experience of leveling SMN 1-75 in xp parties where the role of a summoner (Cure bot) is almost completely different from their role in endgame (Hateless DD). Because of this, there are plenty of people who might like playing endgame Summoner who would absolutely hate xping it.
Personally, I considered leveling it a few times but could never bring myself to be a second-rate WHM for 75 levels. When I flowed it up, I hit 75 and went out and had fun unlocking Retribution and Garland of Bliss on SMN/SAM skillchaining with Carby (and getting pretty hot Summoning magic skillups <,<). Then I moved to sea and had fun skilling it up a little more on Ghrahs. I geared myself as well as a recently-75 SMN could be expected to (YY robe, K-head, Carby mitts, HQ staves, a badass MPwH set, a pretty bad ass MEREE SMN SEEET~!) and pretty much just used it as a solo job.

Most of all, I don't know how it affects people to have bad summoners running around. It isn't like anyone invites them to stuff anyway.

[Tsuko_Asura]

will have to learn the skill after lv75 or from playing other jobs.

Ding, ding, fucking ding. We have a winner.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Fine you want an example?

SMN soloing bombs/snolls/djinn.
You have to have tried it to understand the intricacies of avatar/player hate management there - its something no guide however detailed can ever explain.

I know, because I wrote the best one there ever is.

What in the hell are you talking about? Summoner kills bombs by throwing a free avatar at it over and over. There's nothing intricate about resummoning out of enmity range, and/or keeping some manner of defense active.

Go back to KI.

[Ivve]

Most of all, I don't know how it affects people to have bad summoners running around. It isn't like anyone invites them to stuff anyway.

Bitches be butthurt because they had to heal all the way to 75.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Anyway, I'm through trying to beat you two over the head with something that's plain as day. I'm living proof to the contrary of what you're suggesting, and everyone who matters knows it. The lot of you can go circle-jerk eachother in Ifrit's Cauldron, I'll be in the land of productivity.

Back to the pants talk~

[Spira]

What in the hell are you talking about? Summoner kills bombs by throwing a free avatar at it over and over. There's nothing intricate about resummoning out of enmity range, and/or keeping some manner of defense active.

Go back to KI.

fucking troll.

[Rocl]

i hate all of you. i don't want to do this but jesus christ this is terrible

you guys can troll each other and stroke each other's penises in other threads

TIRED OF VIEWING A THREAD AND EXPECTING NEW INFORMATION

in that department, this thread was doomed from the start anyway...