Global Warmists -- Read ( Climategate )

[Beckwin]

I linked kos because it's the first article I've seen to start clarifying this mess of emails. this is all happening really fast and in the blogosphere, so forgive me linking a site that has a reputation for bias. if it means anything, other sites are starting to post similar articles.

http://www.grist.org/article/2009-11...ts-emails-CRU/

granted, another site with bias in the issue, but all the other links are coming from libertarian/denialist counterparts. the MSM is still on it being a hacking story.

[Rothbardian]

Oh, who wanted the "Peer-Reviewed" skeptic papers? Well, here's quite a few. Peruse at your benefit.

http://www.populartechnology.net/200...upporting.html

[Maxxthepenguin]

Holy crap, I love this Roth guy. He's like classic guartz but even crazier and more long-winded.

Amazing.

Btw on that popular technology blog: http://www.populartechnology.net/200...-resource.html

fuckin lol

[Beckwin]

I noticed those articles are featured in many of the same journals as agw support articles. now how does that happen, what with the massive overriding academic conspiracy?

[Rothbardian]

Holy crap, I love this Roth guy. He's like classic guartz but even crazier and more long-winded.

Amazing.

Btw on that popular technology blog: http://www.populartechnology.net/200...-resource.html

fuckin lol

Lol indeed. On that topic, the mass protest in Keene, NH was freaking awesome. As an aside, Keene is the de-facto (or at least is home to a large majority) home of An-Caps.

www.freestateproject.org

[Maxxthepenguin]

Fuck yes, anarcho-capitalism.

You really are the second coming

[dejet]

This fight will be going on forever, atmospheric scientists can not get the weather right for 1 day ahead of time. To many factors go into the equation.

I will say its almost fact we wont get the weather right, forget global warming. The Earth will be screwed some day.

What gets me mad is laws being passed about being *green*, I flip out when we pass shit we have no clue about.

No reason to stop studying it, but the fact we think we understand the intricacies of the earth is insanity.

[Rothbardian]

I noticed those articles are featured in many of the same journals as agw support articles. now how does that happen, what with the massive overriding academic conspiracy?

Oh, Beckwin, you silly goose. It's in the e-mail exchanges. They hated the lone editor in some of these journals that allowed these into them and sought to discredit and ultimately either fire the editor or marginalize the entire journal.

Just like Copenhagen, Bush Sr., and now the push for a Global Currency by the UN and IMF, the NWO is entirely false! They scream in your face, write it down in their declarations and documents, and you still can't come to intellectual terms with the evidence.

In any event, you are entirely de-railing the intent of the post, and in doing so in a not-so-subtle way. Tsk, tsk, maybe you would have learned to be a little more subtler by now? Stick to the issue, that there are indeed thousands, and indeed many articles in so-called "peer-reviewed" journals. As the heart of science is about questioning everything, and trying to repeat objective tests to get repeatable and predictive results, the only thing that can be said about AGW is that it is now totally discredited. Once you lose your integrity, honesty, and objectivity, you lose your credibility and believability for if one can be deceptive in normal activities and in their scientific duties how can one then expect them to be honest?

So, again. You have been refuted time and time again. Will you man up, or will you stick to your guns? I would wage a Troy Ounce of gold on the latter, and even will go as far as to declare a bet of One Troy Ounce of Gold that the predictions and declarations by the IPCC will turn out to be incredulously false. Are you willing to put your money where your beliefs, and so-called science (or Pseudo-Science), is at?

[Rothbardian]

Fuck yes, anarcho-capitalism.

You really are the second coming

Of Jesus?! Oh-you silly man. Jesus was not a deity, or some divine being. He was a man, like me, or you, or any other.

[Solefald]

hey skeptics, since you're all down with the scientific method and shit, can anyone explain how natural processes account for most of the historically anomalous global average surface temperature increase in the last 50 years? using science and stuff. like. "the sun" isnt really a good answer, you gotta have details and such.

[Beckwin]

yes rothbardian, the entire scientific process has been subverted and completely invalidated by a small handful of scientists, the most prominent of which was a 27 year old researcher/doctoral student when 1500 scientists came out in consensus in 1992.

fuckin christ man.

there's no doubt that mann et all did some unethical and unprofessional things, but if anyone is gonna be called an alarmist, it's gonna be those who claim the entire theory is now bunk and we need to be hiding from the nwo now.

[Rothbardian]

yes rothbardian, the entire scientific process has been subverted and completely invalidated by a small handful of scientists, the most prominent of which was a 27 year old researcher/doctoral student when 1500 scientists came out in consensus in 1992.

fuckin christ man.

there's no doubt that mann et all did some unethical and unprofessional things, but if anyone is gonna be called an alarmist, it's gonna be those who claim the entire theory is now bunk and we need to be hiding from the nwo now.

No, not hiding, fighting -- intellectually, educationally, and if need be, in self-defense.

Secondly, the CRU Hadley researchers and scientists are some of the most prominent in the field of AGW. Not only that, they are connected with all the other prominent scientists and interacted in collusion to manipulate and falsify data. Not only on top of that, much of the data in the first place is false due to faulty equipment missing for instance, large chunks of ice the size of California, or not abiding by rigorous temperature standards and placing 95% of the measuring instruments within 30 feet of heat conducting area's precisely for the manipulation of data (By Air Conditioners, large concrete and asphalt roadways and areas, etc.).

As was also referenced earlier. In an entirely hypothetical manner, the heating of the Earth is actually conducive to productivity and a more suited climate for humans. Plants thrive, crops thrive, living conditions become better, populations expand, etc. In cold times, and in cold climates, the exact opposite happens. So, I'm not sure what you are ultimately trying to accomplish....I for-one would welcome a much warmer climate. That is all besides the point however. You are trying to over-simplify, and purposefully occlude many important facts about these revelations. A complete falsification of much of the data is damning.

Anyways, like I said, I'm ready to put my money where my beliefs are, are you?

[Beckwin]

So, I'm not sure what you are ultimately trying to accomplish....I for-one would welcome a much warmer climate.

I for one would welcome our new reptilian overlords.

really man, you accuse me of oversimplifying yet you just give carte blanche to the idea of the earth being a warmer place. fuck those equatorial regions that already struggle with high temperatures and water issues, eh?

[BerenTebogo]

This seems to be a logical time to bring up the shitting up of a thread about GW with politics.

Just sayin'

[Cort]

i'm afraid of libertarianism, because it takes people who have the compassion to be anarchists and makes them adolescent idiots. libertarianism stands for anarchism without the sense of responsibility or realism. it makes like gw bush and creates a Bad Guy ("The State") in order to avoid real problems (large unequal distributions of power, oppressive systems, histories of tyranny and oppression, etc). discuss.

ahahahahahaha oh god, I can't breathe

pretty much nails it. except I don't think they have the compassion to be anarchists... the motivation is personal gain/me-first mentality.

oh god my sides my hurt

[Rothbardian]

ahahahahahaha oh god, I can't breathe



oh god my sides my hurt

True. I don't think Beckwin can differentiate between libertines and libertarians.

[Cadsuane]

That's actually pretty easy to agree with. It's main attraction for the self-interested and self-righteous is the moral bankruptcy of having fewer duties and responsibilities as a citizen.

[Sirrus_Asura]

That's actually pretty easy to agree with. It's main attraction for the self-interested and self-righteous is the moral bankruptcy of having fewer duties and responsibilities as a citizen.

Anarchy and Moral Bankruptcy?(Or did I misread?) I feel as though a bailout joke should be inserted somewhere here.

[Cadsuane]

hurr hurr. Nah, libertarianism.

[Sirrus_Asura]

hurr hurr. Nah, libertarianism.

Ah gotcha.

Luberatarians and Luberals.