Aion Mass Bannings

[Meresgi]

Why not actually play the game, then? I solo grinded maybe 1 level from 30+ and got the rest entirely from group instances/quests. "Q_Q it's boring" doesn't excuse cheating just because you're a tard with A.D.D. who has to solo zerg to 50 before you lose interest. The game is far less "grindy" than real XI was.

Sorry I expect MMO's to not have devolved back to old grindfests . The game penalizes you for grouping too which I find odd, as it is an MMO. Slamming your dick in a desk doesn't grant respect to you, even if it is hard and not many people want to do it.

[Corwen]

Another 26k bans this morning: http://na.aiononline.com/forums/gene...articleID=9536

[Kerberoz]

Sorry I expect MMO's to not have devolved back to old grindfests . The game penalizes you for grouping too which I find odd, as it is an MMO. Slamming your dick in a desk doesn't grant respect to you, even if it is hard and not many people want to do it.

Do you even read what you quote?

[Meresgi]

Do you even read what you quote?

Yeah, and all you stated was you did group quests to lvl to 50? Glad you were able to find a few friends to run that shit with you, but a lot of people don't, and a lot of people don't want to run shit instances that give less xp then solo grinding.

Had the grind been better designed a lot less would bot imo

[OzzofAsura]

Sorry I expect MMO's to not have devolved back to old grindfests . The game penalizes you for grouping too which I find odd, as it is an MMO. Slamming your dick in a desk doesn't grant respect to you, even if it is hard and not many people want to do it.

I think people often misunderstand this point. He wasn't talking about the difficulty. I think he meant "if you don't like it, don't play it", let alone cheat at it.

Serious question for you: You seem to really dislike this game now, why do you continue to play it? Not saying it in an asshole way, just wondering. I tend to stop playing games when they stop being fun (other than FFXI, jeez). Are you waiting for something? or just pissed at it lately?

[Saxon]

I think people often misunderstand this point. He wasn't talking about the difficulty. I think he meant "if you don't like it, don't play it", let alone cheat at it.

Serious question for you: You seem to really dislike this game now, why do you continue to play it? Not saying it in an asshole way, just wondering. I tend to stop playing games when they stop being fun (other than FFXI, jeez). Are you waiting for something? or just pissed at it lately?

I think what he means is, if working harder and doing the more dificult stuff was better rewarded it would have been a lot more fun. Whereas it stands at the moment is, mindless crap is better rewarded than grouping up, fighting as a team and accomplishing something.
And a lot of people play MMOs for the endgame, or even PvP, but the only way to have the most fun out of those aspects of the game is to struggle through the grinding which a bot easily eliminates.

[Kerberoz]

Until you realize that "endgame" in an MMORPG is exactly the same as the rest of the game-- a time waster. MMOs do not take skill; they do not have real accomplishments or serious challenges. "Endgame" is just a different pointless grind. It's all about having fun wasting time. Some people fail at the "having fun" part.

[OzzofAsura]

^

[Meresgi]

I think people often misunderstand this point. He wasn't talking about the difficulty. I think he meant "if you don't like it, don't play it", let alone cheat at it.

Serious question for you: You seem to really dislike this game now, why do you continue to play it? Not saying it in an asshole way, just wondering. I tend to stop playing games when they stop being fun (other than FFXI, jeez). Are you waiting for something? or just pissed at it lately?

I actually quit yesterday and went back to WoW. Started a new character and leveling to 55 to make a brand new DK. Ill be watching Aion and might go back once they do a little more to it.Till then ill wait till FFXIV or Secret Worlds.

[OzzofAsura]

Have fun

[Saxon]

Until you realize that "endgame" in an MMORPG is exactly the same as the rest of the game-- a time waster. MMOs do not take skill; they do not have real accomplishments or serious challenges. "Endgame" is just a different pointless grind. It's all about having fun wasting time. Some people fail at the "having fun" part.

I realise this, but everyone has different views on what they find fun. Some people may find grinding exp fun (be it in a group or solo), whereas others find PvP fun, and others find event based activities with a chance of a shiny new item fun. If you hated PvP and were forced to partake in it, wouldn't you at least try to avoid it as much as you can? Of course there are botters that cheat to get to 50 asap, but they find the attention (even if it is negative) to be self satisfying, as you said yourself MMOs are all about wasting time, so why not get some popularity from it by doing whatever you can even if it reverts to botting.

[OzzofAsura]

If someone is *that* pathetic that they need to try to attract MMO attention by cheating, they have bigger problems than botting. One player's having fun should not negatively impact another's, outside of the game mechanics (pvp, etc.).

[Saxon]

If someone is *that* pathetic that they need to try to attract MMO attention by cheating, they have bigger problems than botting. One player's having fun should not negatively impact another's, outside of the game mechanics (pvp, etc.).

Although I don't quite understand what bots can do in this game, but limited purely to level grinding bots, all it does is kill monsters repetedly which does not have a game breaking impact on others experience. It's no different from someone playing for 24hours straight killing mobs, and considering this forum, I'm sure a lot of people have grinded on mobs for extended periods of time which has the same outcome on other players as the botters.
Both can be seen as "pathetic" depending on your viewpoint, labelling people pathetic can vary so much depending on who says it.
Although I do have to agree on the cheating to achieve MMO attention, as it would feel like a hollow victory, but there will be people out there who see nothing wrong with that.

I guess the way I see it is, people just go out of their way to be selfish, which I've kind of learned to deal with.

[Corwen]

Someone who would only be able to grind legitimately for 4 hours a day normally being able to bot for the other 20 hours effectively allows that person to generate 6 times the loot each day that they normally would otherwise. This artificially increases supply of things like fluxes, which are normally a fairly rare drop, and things like platinum coins and devalues them greatly if a lot of people are doing this. If somebody was actually capable of legitimately playing for 24 hours a day constantly, then they deserve to reap the benefits of it.

Also, in a lot of cases, the bots are quite a bit overleveled for the area, such as level 37-38 bots killing level 31-33 mobs. They gain very little EXP but kill the mobs a lot quicker than people who are closer to the mobs level and makes it needlessly more difficult on people who want to actually grind on these mobs, or even worse, wants to do a quest that involves killing said mobs.

[OzzofAsura]

^ I was gonna say that, but he said it first.

If you can grind for 24 hours straight, great! I congratulate you and wish you the best of luck, whether you're in my way or not (aside from mob stealing of course). But for most humans, they cannot do this, so any time they would have spent away from the game is suddenly gone. They are always on, taking up space, resources and mobs which would otherwise be there far more often. It hurts the game in oh so many ways, it would take very long to list it all.

[Magewrath]

Although I don't quite understand what bots can do in this game, but limited purely to level grinding bots, all it does is kill monsters repetedly which does not have a game breaking impact on others experience. It's no different from someone playing for 24hours straight killing mobs, and considering this forum, I'm sure a lot of people have grinded on mobs for extended periods of time which has the same outcome on other players as the botters.
Both can be seen as "pathetic" depending on your viewpoint, labelling people pathetic can vary so much depending on who says it.
Although I do have to agree on the cheating to achieve MMO attention, as it would feel like a hollow victory, but there will be people out there who see nothing wrong with that.

I guess the way I see it is, people just go out of their way to be selfish, which I've kind of learned to deal with.

One personal experience, is trying to complete a quest where I had to collect Spriggan Back Leathers from Spriggan Fighters just outside of Alsig Village.
Now, they drop off nearly every one you kill. It took me well over an hour to complete, as a botting party (and several other solo bots) were just rampaging back and forth through every single mob in that small area.
In contrast, the quest took me 15 minutes to complete on my Sorc, post update. All the bots had gone (well there might have been one or two singles there).

Now, I realise that MMORPG's are a timesink, but I want to at least be able to dictate how and when I sink my time into it. I do not believe that people breaking the rules should be in a position to do this for me.

That, is my primary issue.

[Arthars]

i think they banned more people

seem to see much much lesser bots now

also ran around in heiron for 2 hours and only saw like 8-10 bots and 2-4 real elyos

sure makes me bored atm

[Meresgi]

This artificially increases supply of things like fluxes, which are normally a fairly rare drop,

I view this as a good thing, since some bots have been banned from the server I played on, Flux prices have shot up a ton. At least 500% or more because kineh buying is still rampant as ever. So you have less fluxes being put up on the broker, which increases the demand and price to astronomical amounts. I didn't mind buying Orich Ore or Aether from bots because I could usually find decent priced stacks compared to the stacks put up by real players. Example, I bought some Tough Luxury Leather Pads from the broker from a known bot, because they cost about 40% less then the mats and I would have to get lucky and HQ the green proc but not the blue proc.

As for Plat Coins, the gear it gives from that quest isn't all that great. I would say the worst thing a bot could farm would be boiling blood stains, but I never saw a bot in the abyss.

Now, I realise that MMORPG's are a timesink, but I want to at least be able to dictate how and when I sink my time into it. I do not believe that people breaking the rules should be in a position to do this for me.

I do admit that is a problem, as there are just too few mobs in the game to grind on or that have to deal with quests. I wish monsters in Aion would give the same xp across the board as well. I always hated killing a mob that used Temp Iron Clad to find it gave me less xp then another I tore through and had no abilities...yet the Temp Iron Clad mobs outnumbred the others by 20:1

[arus2001]

All I know is grinding on my gladiator has sucked 40+ and it's annoying I almost have to behave like a bot unless I want to be chugging a potion every time the timer's up. 875 sparkies to ding! Whee!

The constant, "Are you a bot?!" comments from passerbys get old, too.

No, I'm not a keyboard mash-named midget wielding a spear. My name is tangible and I have a glowy greatsword. Yes, I'm a bot!

[Akucaen]

I'm actually pissed about the bannings. Fluxes and aether is up to record highs. It was enough to get me off my ass and level aethering (gathering was already 320, but that's my lifeblood as a weaponsmith,) but fluxes are absolutely killing me now. The weapon market has completely dried up on my server as well. No one will buy greens/blues anymore, no matter how low they sell.

One thing that's really pissing me off is I made two WND Adamantium polearms for 40. One sold for 5m, the second I've been listing for weeks in a "price war" with another guy. We're down to 3.1m dropping in 100k intervals. We're not relisting every other day either, it's everytime the goddamn thing gets sent back.