Lyft Weapon Testing/Speculation

[saracrow]

Tsola do something that gives you a buff, like protect or a bard song and see if your bonuses appear. that is what i had to do.

[Yugl]

No you're wrong.

2*.75=1.5
3*.75=2.25
4*.75=3.0
5*.75=3.75
6*.75=4.5

2: 1
3: 2
4: 3
5: 3
6: 4

Maybe it's .9375 per party member though.

It should be 0 at 2 PT members, but your math/point is correct.

[chiyio]

Someone else said .75, I'd rather just keep it at +1 str for every member after 2.

[FailureMidgard]

It should be 0 at 2 PT members, but your math/point is correct.

I'm aware, which was exactly why I wrote what occurs if you assume .75 per party member. My bottom numbers were after flooring the top numbers.

Someone else said .75, I'd rather just keep it at +1 str for every member after 2.

You said you can look at it either way. I'm saying .75 per party member is flat out wrong.

[tsola]

Tsola do something that gives you a buff, like protect or a bard song and see if your bonuses appear. that is what i had to do.

Tried that, still no stat buffs. Definitely doesn't give hMP. Didn't give any +skill(enfeeb/element/whatever). No cure potency either.

Tried switching from RDM to WHM to see if that did anything, and still gave nothing. Guess it is probably something like conserve MP/macc/mab, if anything at all.

[Rufusruferson]

Apparently, The Lyft Items are all for the Evolith System, according to my Japanese friend. APparently there is a post on Alla about it, about to check it out now.

EDIT: The Alla link isn't working, and my friend is afk, Ill update when I get more information

[Karbuncle]

Apparently, The Lyft Items are all for the Evolith System, according to my Japanese friend. APparently there is a post on Alla about it, about to check it out now.

EDIT: The Alla link isn't working, and my friend is afk, Ill update when I get more information

Bar someone who's working inside SE on the FFXI project i don't see how anyone could have concrete evidence to an unreleased system

[Rufusruferson]

Bar someone who's working inside SE on the FFXI project i don't see how anyone could have concrete evidence to an unreleased system

I don't know... I'm just reporting on what I've heard, he hasn't led me astray before so yeah...

[Vlorsutes]

Apparently, The Lyft Items are all for the Evolith System, according to my Japanese friend. APparently there is a post on Alla about it, about to check it out now.

EDIT: The Alla link isn't working, and my friend is afk, Ill update when I get more information

No one on Zam has said that the Lyft Weapons have any concrete connection to the Synergy/Evolith systems at all. It was just speculated when the .dats were first mined that it's possible that they had some connection to Synergy/Evolith, but as said, that was little more than early speculation.

[miokomioko]

How about waiting until you have said proof before you place foots into moufs.

[seiji]

unshomaru VS hagun math:
assuming unsho (full pt) 50%tp bonus str+4
100%TP 200%TP 300%TP
1.5625 1.875 2.50
Level @
Lv75... 0.83


STR:75%

( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP

50%tp bonus=>1.71875
x=fstr(h)+wsc(h)
hagun: (75+x)*1.875=140.625+1.875x

fstr(u)=fstr(h)+1* (cap or uncap cause unsho higher rank)
wsc(u)=wsc(h)+4*.75*.83=wsc(h)+2.49=>+2

(81+x+1+2)*1.71875=144.375+1.71875x

diff:
144+1.71875x>140+1.875x
4>015625x
25.6>x

70STR, lower fstrcap(-8)
x=70*.75*.83-8=43-8=35>25.6

hagun always win

* lower cap fstr(u) <fstr(h) (forgot the - wepon rank....) but just increase the diff

[Nishida]

unshomaru VS hagun math:
assuming unsho (full pt) 50%tp bonus str+4
100%TP 200%TP 300%TP
1.5625 1.875 2.50
Level @
Lv75... 0.83


STR:75%

( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP

50%tp bonus=>1.71875
x=fstr(h)+wsc(h)
hagun: (75+x)*1.875=140.625+1.875x

fstr(u)=fstr(h)+1* (cap or uncap cause unsho higher rank)
wsc(u)=wsc(h)+4*.75*.83=wsc(h)+2.49=>+2

(81+x+1+2)*1.71875=144.375+1.71875x

diff:
144+1.71875x>140+1.875x
4>015625x
25.6>x

70STR, lower fstrcap(-8)
x=70*.75*.83-8=43-8=35>25.6

hagun always win

* lower cap fstr(u) <fstr(h) (forgot the - wepon rank....) but just increase the diff

Someone translate this to English. :3

[seiji]

Someone translate this to English. :3

( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP base damage formula for WS (check wiki if you dont understand this)


fstr(h)= your fstr with hagun; wsc(h) your weapon skill modifier with hagun
fstr(u)= your fstr with unshomaru; wsc(u) your weapon skill modifier with unshomaru

math with gekko wsc/ftp data from wiki

[Guppy]

unshomaru VS hagun math:

Hmm... so it looks like any potential Hagun-beater will rely on Unshomaru being upgradable using the new Evolith system (assuming this the new system is what these weapons are intended for, which might not be true).

If so, though... I'll bet that the end result will be a weapon that, using the best available Evoliths, will be slightly better than a Hagun, but only on certain types of targets.

[Souj]

you also have to assume the GK gives str+ and tp bonus lol

[TummieGaruda]

Please correct me if I am wrong on the math it is still early for me. I am going to commit a cardinal sin and use Colibri mainly because I can't remember offhand other VIT values of mobs. Going to leave pDIF out of the equation even though the Unshomaru would add 3 attack.


Gekko TP modifiers
100%TP 200%TP 300%TP
1.5625 1.875 2.50

Assuming that the 50% TP mod on Unshomaru is simply +50% tp just like Hagun is +100%, then:

1.875 - 1.5625 = 0.3125
0.3125 / 100 = 0.003125.

So every 1% Tp over 100 adds 0.003125.
Multiply that by 50 to get 0.15625
Add that to the TP value at 100% 1.5625 + 0.15625 = 1.71875 for 100%


Stats:
Lets Assume a player has 120 STR for Gekko

Player = 120 STR
Greater Colibri = 67 VIT
Hagun: DMG 75 TP@100 = 1.875
Unshomaru: DMG 81 +4 STR TP@100 = 1.71875


Hagun

fstr cap = 75/9 +8 = 16
fstr = (STR-VIT + 4) / 4
(120 - 67 + 4) / 4 = 14.25 or 14 fstr

( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP
(75 + 14 + (120*.75 * .83)) * 1.875
(89 + 74.7)*1.875 = 306.93

Hagun = 306.93 damage before pDIF and Overwhelm merits



Unshomaru

fstr cap = 81/9 +8 = 17
fstr = (STR-VIT + 4) / 4
(120+ (4str) - 67 + 4) / 4 = 15.25 or 15 fstr

( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP
(81 + 15 + (124*.75 * .83)) * 1.71875
(96 + 77.19)*1.71875 = 297.67

Unshomaru = 297.67 damage before pDIF and Overwhelm merits


To summarize:

Hagun: 306.93
Unshomaru: 297.67

Roughly a 3.1% difference between the two. The Unshomaru would need to get augmented with an evolith with at least +3% weaponskill damage to be lined up with Hagun at 100% TP.

In my opinion it isn't a bad weapon at all. Has higher damage than Hagun for Rana to use where pdif is naturally near or at the cap, and has a TP bonus to use in conjunction with Gekko where you rely on the pdif modifier of Gekko against mobs with higher defense. It's a good weapon that can suit both weaponskills, but of course there is always a better weapon for each situation (Hagun for high Def mobs, and any GK with high Base DMG for Rana to be used against very low defense mobs)

[Thunder]

but of course there is always a better weapon for each situation (Hagun for high Def mobs, and any GK with high Base DMG for Rana to be used against very low defense mobs)

Polearm in those situations!

[Vlorsutes]

How about waiting until you have said proof before you place foots into moufs.

It wasn't anyone on the staff that made such comments anyway about the possibility of them being connected to Evolith (was just speculation from our forum members), so it's not like Zam was publishing said info as stated fact.

[Hegarty]

My JP frend said they lock AVs two hours and Meteor but not Aeroga

[Savanah]

And AV applies to this... how...?