Synergy Findings/Discussion

[TummieGaruda]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't it impossible to etch two or more slots on the same piece of gear with the same element+shape? Thus, I don't think you'll ever get a bonus larger than any single evolith can hold.

I think he was referring to each of the pieces themselves and not a single piece. For instance, the body has two Vs Family, and one magic slot. If both Head, Hands, Body, Legs, and Feet each had 1 Vs Family and 1 Magic slot, he could put the same evoliths on each resulting in total for the set itself. We already know a Vs. Birds: Magic Accuracy +7 evolith exists, and Light Enfeebling: Magic Accuracy +3, so he can slot those two on each piece.
Also, as noted, Lullaby isn't considered enfeebling, just song based. Might want to change to Light Based Songs: Enmity -3 which is said to come from Tiffenote.

Ebon Tam
[Head] All Races
DEF: 19 CHR +2 Magic Accuracy +2
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
[1] Vs. Birds: Magic Accuracy +7
[2] Light Based Songs: Enmity -3
Lv. 71 RDM / BRD / BLU

Ebon Talar
[Body] All Races
DEF: 40 MND +5 CHR +5 Magic Accuracy +3
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect Enmity -2
[1] Vs. Birds: Magic Accuracy +7
[2] Light Based Songs: Enmity -3
Lv. 71 RDM / BRD / BLU

Ebon Gants
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 17 MP +14 MND +3 CHR +3
Magic Accuracy +2 Enmity -2
[1] Vs. Birds: Magic Accuracy +7
[2] Light Based Songs: Enmity -3
Lv. 71 RDM / BRD / BLU

Ebon Slacks
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 35 MP +10 MND +3 CHR +3
Magic Accuracy +4
[1] Vs. Birds: Magic Accuracy +7
[2] Light Based Songs: Enmity -3
Lv. 71 RDM / BRD / BLU

Ebon Brogues
[Feet] All Races
DEF:16 MP+22 MND+3
Magic Accuracy+3 Enmity-1
[1] Vs. Birds: Magic Accuracy +7
[2] Light Based Songs: Enmity -3
Lv. 71 RDM / BRD / BLU


Set Total

Defense: 127
CHR: 13
MND: 14
MP: 46
Enmity: -5
Enhances Fast Cast Effect
Magic Accuracy: +11
Vs. Birds: Magic Accuracy + 35
Light Based songs: Enmity -15

This is if each piece support the Vs Family and Magic evoliths.

[miokomioko]

and if enfeebling magic somehow means songs when songs, ninjutsu, blu magic, elemental magic, enhancing, etc all have their own evolith bonuses :/

[Onorgul]

Worth pointing out that Songs are NOT Enfeebling Magic.

[TummieGaruda]

Worth pointing out that Songs are NOT Enfeebling Magic.

Yes I edited that to reflect that, I originally posted what Urat was suggesting as far as stacking evoliths on gear.

[Onorgul]

Would that set even be worth it? We're talking about Greater Colibri, obviously, where all that -Enmity is basically pointless. That's a lot of Magic Accuracy, to be sure, but you could readily have Bard's Roundlet, Errant Hpl., Choral Cuffs +1, Marduk's Shalwar, and Goliard Clogs for a total of 36 CHR, 15 Singing skill, 5 Wind skill, and 2 Magic Accuracy... all from gear that you'd actually use for other things.

[SargentRemora]

Are the skills required for Synthesizing the ebon gear the same as de-synthesizing? I'm only able to get recepies for de synthesis out of the npc.

[TummieGaruda]

Are the skills required for Synthesizing the ebon gear the same as de-synthesizing? I'm only able to get recepies for de synthesis out of the npc.

They are around 20 (Initiate Synergy Rank) for most. Others I think are 30 . You can try to do it below skill, however if your skill isn't high enough, the moment you start feeding it fewell it will start to overload. I tried to etch some Ebon gear and it said Novice Rank and I am only 7. I put in 2 Earth Fewell and it began to overload and leak elements. It's possibly if you just throw fewell in quickly but the chances of completing it are not as high as if you were up to the level it requires.

[urat]

Personally for the full set Id rather have earth song cast time -2~whatever%, (Oh god can you imagine if these ones go up to 7%? One can dream)

On top of the fast cast from head and body and minstrels ring that'd be one helluva fast elegy for pulling :D

Maybe some evoliths will show up to help with utsusemi recasts. Thus the effect of the set would instead be:

Defense: 127
CHR: +13
MND: 14
MP: 46
Enmity: -5
Enhances Fast Cast Effect x2
Magic Accuracy: +11
Vs. Birds: Magic Accuracy + 35
Earth Based songs: Casting time -10%

Pretty kick ass pulling set imo, and thats assuming 2% is the highest possible, though the current pattern is a 7 cap for these type of stats, thus creating a possible highest of -35% casting time for earth on top of the double fast cast. O_o

[Onorgul]

It's not like Elegy takes any time to cast, anyhow. If they made something for buffing songs, I could see some use.

[Corrderio]

Okay another dumb question about synergy and skilling up. If I use an element not needed for the recipe I'm doing, can I get skill ups on that?

[ronin sparthos]

Okay another dumb question about synergy and skilling up. If I use an element not needed for the recipe I'm doing, can I get skill ups on that?

Not from what ive seen.

[Virtuous Saint]

k you don't need magic acc for merit pts lol, the only reason to build massive macc is for HNM and other higher resist shit. Even if you did resist frequently on merit enemies, if they last long enough for it to be of use there is a definite malfunction in your pt and I feel bad for you. Moreover, who merits outside of smn burn?

[Rugazanami]

Just throwing this out there, that about the "Enhances Fast Cast" effects, Ebon Tam is 2% and Ebon Talar is 5%. A link to the testing was posted in the New NM thread.

[Julian]

k you don't need magic acc for merit pts lol, the only reason to build massive macc is for HNM and other higher resist shit. Even if you did resist frequently on merit enemies, if they last long enough for it to be of use there is a definite malfunction in your pt and I feel bad for you. Moreover, who merits outside of smn burn?

Even if you did merit outside of smn burn, if your brd is casting lullaby, well, shit, either the party sucks or the brd is a retard. Unless you're doing mamools, but if you're doing mamools, oh shit, your inventory-5 is useless now, lolz

I think, for now anyway, evoliths are incredibly underwhelming, and making new equipment (which as a base, is already crap) just for it is kinda, uh... yeah. Now, once we're actually able to etch regular equipment that we use every day, and once we have a higher selection of evoliths to choose from, then I think this system will be more worth it. Even if the evolith selection doesn't get much better, actually being able to etch "slightly better but oh so extremely situational" stuff, even though it's situational when you get those small buffs, you'll at least be getting a small buff on something you actually use.

[miokomioko]

Grafting Vs. vermin/birds/aquan evolith for the mid-level range on NQ/HQ vanilla weapons seems like one of the most realistic uses for this system at this time...

[Malacite]

Even if you did merit outside of smn burn, if your brd is casting lullaby, well, shit, either the party sucks or the brd is a retard. Unless you're doing mamools, but if you're doing mamools, oh shit, your inventory-5 is useless now, lolz

I think, for now anyway, evoliths are incredibly underwhelming, and making new equipment (which as a base, is already crap) just for it is kinda, uh... yeah. Now, once we're actually able to etch regular equipment that we use every day, and once we have a higher selection of evoliths to choose from, then I think this system will be more worth it. Even if the evolith selection doesn't get much better, actually being able to etch "slightly better but oh so extremely situational" stuff, even though it's situational when you get those small buffs, you'll at least be getting a small buff on something you actually use.

How are the Aern weapons in any way shape or form bad? Besides, we still have yet to see power 6 or higher Evolith if I'm not mistaken. I'm betting TP bonus will be power 8. All we need now is an Aern GKT...

[Julian]

making new equipment (which as a base, is already crap)

Are the base aern weapons crap?

If yes: Use something else that's available and already better.
If no: Congrats! You have something that, as a base, isn't crap, go ahead and add some extra stuff to it to make it slightly better.

[Shamaya]

Even if you did merit outside of smn burn, if your brd is casting lullaby, well, shit, either the party sucks or the brd is a retard.

I suppose the allure of smn burns is that "anyone can do it," but they're definitely overrated from an efficiency standpoint.

Also, there's nothing wrong with using lullaby in even a great meripo. Let's say my party is fighting a wivre and I want to prepull. I elegy one bird on the other level and then chakram the next. The chakram bird arrives first, I sleep it. I blink tank the next one until the melee engage. One bird is still slept, giving me lots of time to reapply buffs or go pull another close by mob. Lullaby isn't gimp but I agree it's not necessary, as I've pulled bird camp on my 65 cor w/ darts b4.

However, I will agree that stacking the magical acc just for bird camp... it just gives me a really bad feeling. When I think about possibly turning Ebon vest into an amazing vs-birds WS vest, I get the same feeling. I spent 1.5m+ and all that time just for invent+1 that I can only use here? Ugh. And shoot, the aern dagger at least doesn't even seem that great at the moment. Possibly a replacement for Blau/Sirocco but anything above that.. idk yet.

[Bling]

Grafting Vs. vermin/birds/aquan evolith for the mid-level range on NQ/HQ vanilla weapons seems like one of the most realistic uses for this system at this time...

This is how it seems to me right now too. Some of these evolites are small enough to fit on weapons for levels where there really isn't shit to use anyways. This could make some of them pretty decent or interesting at the least. And when you're done leveling with the weapon, you can just erase the etching and sell it back on the AH. Just gonna have to wait till the craft gets raised to 100 to get the endgame worthy options it looks like.

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[Sylvrdragon]

In regards to Aptants, I really wish SE increased the droprate. I think it is a very bad decision on their part to only have certain aptants drop from 3-4 NM's with the droprate as low as it is, especially since now they are becoming increasingly difficult to claim due to the fact that that word has gotten out on how the aptants are used. It would be a lot better if they increased the droprate to near 100%, or at least give us an option to create an Aptant via Synergy by using a Job Testimony that is related to the Aptant.

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