Hunts and Evolith Discussion

[Malacite]

Still no power 7 or 8's discovered? I wonder if we even got any...

I *so* want to see something like "Phys. Blue Magic: TP Bonus +20"

[NynJa]

7 fucking hours in SSG:

Denn = Water Songs: Cast time (took about an hour, didnt start camping right away)
Yarr= Light Bagic: Magic Crit Hit Rate (7 hours to pop ughhh)
Fyuu = Soul Voice: Ability delay (popped after an hr)

[Shamaya]

Still no power 7 or 8's discovered? I wonder if we even got any...

It's because they're not out yet /(^^)/. Just got to wait till they release Walk-of-Tavnazia endgame zone, then kill Absolute Warden for them. However you can't synergize them until you transmute them via ebon panels quest.

As for magic evasion, I imagine this would be easier to test if you could stack a whole bunch of it. Intuitively I would think it accounts for all "magic," but meh.

[macross]

7 powers can drop off the 100 cost ones. Maybe 8 after a few farms.

[Bling]

Still no power 7 or 8's discovered? I wonder if we even got any...

I *so* want to see something like "Phys. Blue Magic: TP Bonus +20"

All the magic crit + 5 ones I've gotten are all 7's. Apparently those are high powered badassary.

[pchan]

Can I see your extensive testing on this? I know you think you know everything, I just can't be so sure. Also, I'm sure you were one of the people who assumed Meteor was 'non elemental' as you put it, and I assume by that you mean that no +elemental resistance affects the resist rate. My guess is no one has tested it with every element, similar to how no one had for Meteor. Now everyone should know Meteor is dark element based as I gave that information away.

You can't test "magic evasion" gear because there are not enaugh gear to do so. It has to be the same as elemental resists because

1) 'elemental resist' is the opposite as magic accuracy, which can be tested by getting nuked by friars lanterns in halvung
2) Death blossom gives some -resistance equivalent to + 10 magic accuracy, but since it's described as - magic evasion, it's -10 meva.

Since +10 mac will affect magic of all elements, +x magic eva gives resistance to all element at least and probably to non elemental spells, which aboviously can't be tested since players don't have non elemental magic.

I'm sure you were one of the people who assumed Meteor was 'non elemental'

No.

[Bling]

Does anyone know info on popping Nightmare Vase besides what's on wiki? I've been here for hours, is it just a stupid long lotto or is there something weird?

[Taruking]

You can't test "magic evasion" gear because there are not enaugh gear to do so. It has to be the same as elemental resists because

1) 'elemental resist' is the opposite as magic accuracy, which can be tested by getting nuked by friars lanterns in halvung
2) Death blossom gives some -resistance equivalent to + 10 magic accuracy, but since it's described as - magic evasion, it's -10 meva.

You are contradicting yourself. If you can't test "magic evasion" because there are not enough gear to do so, how do you come to the conclusion that Death Blossom gives some resistance equivalent to + 10 magic accuracy?

In fact you are implying that magic evasion and magic accuracy are both interchangeable which is different from elemental resist which works on tier basis.

[pchan]

You are contradicting yourself. If you can't test "magic evasion" because there are not enough gear to do so, how do you come to the conclusion that Death Blossom gives some resistance equivalent to + 10 magic accuracy?

Hi idiot, if you don't know shit STFU, k ? You can't test magic evasion but you can test magic accuracy easily. How do I come to the conclusion on deathblossom ? Easy : nuke x times while DB is in effect and compare to when it's not in effect. You see the same effect as 10 mac, as in +10% landing rate. QED.

In fact you are implying that magic evasion and magic accuracy are both interchangeable which is different from elemental resist which works on tier basis.

No, elemental resist don't work by tiers. You don't know shit.

[Hegarty]

10 mac, as in +10% landing rate. QED..

You heard it here first, 10 Macc=+10% landing rate.

[pchan]

You heard it here first, 10 Macc=+10% landing rate.

you are just about 2 years late

[Taruking]

Hi idiot, if you don't know shit STFU, k ? You can't test magic evasion but you can test magic accuracy easily. How do I come to the conclusion on deathblossom ? Easy : nuke x times while DB is in effect and compare to when it's not in effect. You see the same effect as 10 mac, as in +10% landing rate. QED.




No, elemental resist don't work by tiers. You don't know shit.

Am I missing something here? Unless you are referring to a different form of "elemental resist", it's a common knowledge that all elemental resist works by tiers (1/2, 1/4 etc).

[Hegarty]

Are you seriously saying 10 Magic Accuracy would take you from 80% landing rate to 90% landing rate or do you mean 88%? Either sound like bullshit.

[Dro]

I don't got the permission to post URL yet so, check my signature to see what i got.

It's a french SS but it mean: Dark Enfeebling Magic (sleep, drain, aspir, etc...): Casting Time -6%.

Got it on Oupire. And this SS prove also that a 8 power evolith exist.

[Nicholette]

Hi idiot, if you don't know shit STFU, k ? You can't test magic evasion but you can test magic accuracy easily. How do I come to the conclusion on deathblossom ? Easy : nuke x times while DB is in effect and compare to when it's not in effect. You see the same effect as 10 mac, as in +10% landing rate. QED.




No, elemental resist don't work by tiers. You don't know shit.

I'm pretty sure it works in Tiers. When I used to tank Tiamat at first I had a weaker set and my damage reduction was like 50% then I added gear and added gear with no apparent change, then I added some more and I finally hit another Tier in which the reduction was significantly greater. iirc there was testing of the 2 levels of fire resist you needed to hit with your set back in the day, one being like 260 the second like 320 or some crap. It's been a very long time and I'm like 75% sure about this but I could indeed be incorrect.

[Virtuous Saint]

You can't test "magic evasion" gear because there are not enaugh gear to do so. It has to be the same as elemental resists because

1) 'elemental resist' is the opposite as magic accuracy, which can be tested by getting nuked by friars lanterns in halvung
2) Death blossom gives some -resistance equivalent to + 10 magic accuracy, but since it's described as - magic evasion, it's -10 meva.

Since +10 mac will affect magic of all elements, +x magic eva gives resistance to all element at least and probably to non elemental spells, which aboviously can't be tested since players don't have non elemental magic.




No.

You can test anything as long as you have 1 of it actually, try thinking^^. It would be much more inaccurate and take a lot larger sample size, that is all. Secondly there is actually plenty of items you can augment to get magic evasion I'm sure, and since you are one of the people who think that system is good and fair, why don't you have all of that right this instant? Lastly, you are a liar I'm sure you thought meteor was non-element if you think Mijin is, have you tested that? Have you ever even seen Mijin resist? You claim things without data to back them up, yes it would make logical sense to be 1 way, but you have no evidence to back it up so do not SPEAK of it, and do not say you know how it works, you don't. You have probably given so my people false ideas, it is sad and embarrassing. I feel bad for those who read your posts and end with anything other than a smile on their face from the entertaining humor they got from reading it (dismissing the obvious terrible english, I'm sure you aren't NA).

PS do me a favor and don't respond to this post please, I don't want to die laughing;;.

[pchan]

I'm pretty sure it works in Tiers. When I used to tank Tiamat at first I had a weaker set and my damage reduction was like 50% then I added gear and added gear with no apparent change, then I added some more and I finally hit another Tier in which the reduction was significantly greater. iirc there was testing of the 2 levels of fire resist you needed to hit with your set back in the day, one being like 260 the second like 320 or some crap. It's been a very long time and I'm like 75% sure about this but I could indeed be incorrect.

If players have, say 225 base magic evasion (wiki is reporting this, idk how the person got it but it doesn't really matter as the only numbers that matter are acc-evasion), and Tiamat has 250 more magic accuracy incl. level diff (total 475), then you need

- 250 fire resist to resist 50% of the time.
- 295 fire resist to resist 95% of the time, which is cap.
- 160 fire resist to resist 10% of the time.
- anything less than 150 doesn't give you more resist since you are at lower cap (5%).

What you are probably experiencing is that under 250 fire resist (=under Tiamat's magic accuracy), magic evasion is twice less efficient than above 250, which is due to the fact that magic accuracy is twice as good above 50% landing rate than under.

[Virtuous Saint]

If players have, say 225 base magic evasion (wiki is reporting this, idk how the person got it but it doesn't really matter as the only numbers that matter are acc-evasion), and Tiamat has 250 more magic accuracy incl. level diff (total 475), then you need

- 250 fire resist to resist 50% of the time.
- 295 fire resist to resist 95% of the time, which is cap.
- 160 fire resist to resist 10% of the time.
- anything less than 150 doesn't give you more resist since you are at lower cap (5%).

What you are probably experiencing is that under 250 fire resist (=under Tiamat's magic accuracy), magic evasion is twice less efficient than above 250, which is due to the fact that magic accuracy is twice as good above 50% landing rate than under.

There is no data on how attributes macc are affected under 50%, your data is flawed, sorry to tell you.

[pchan]

You can test anything as long as you have 1 of it actually, try thinking^^. It would be much more inaccurate and take a lot larger sample size, that is all.

No you can't because noone can throw 50,000-100,000 nukes to be able to distingusih. Hell, people only realised recently that crit% can only take integer values as well as hit rate, which was only possible due to mobs in sea not attacking you. Due to the fact that spells have a long recast it is impossible to test this, so you are the one that needs to think harder.

Secondly there is actually plenty of items you can augment to get magic evasion I'm sure, and since you are one of the people who think that system is good and fair, why don't you have all of that right this instant?

No, the augment system is retarded, I never said it was good ; You smoked it just like you smoke the non elemental AV's meteor bullshit.

Lastly, you are a liar I'm sure you thought meteor was non-element

I don't want to play with you, I never mentioned anywhere meteor beeing non elemental, you might want to check or read what I post before having an argument with me.

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if you think Mijin is, have you tested that? Have you ever even seen Mijin resist?[QUOTE]

I'm not superman and cannot test everything, i'm just reporting the description of the job ability on wiki, which mentions it being non elemental. Wiki is not the best reliable source of info, but then again, BG is even less, you just have to see the nerds' posts above.

You claim things without data to back them up, yes it would make logical sense to be 1 way, but you have no evidence to back it up so do not SPEAK of it, and do not say you know how it works, you don't.

The data is here, read the wiki, there are link to data from blogger and an openoffice data sheet from me.

You have probably given so my people false ideas, it is sad and embarrassing. I feel bad for those who read your posts and end with anything other than a smile on their face from the entertaining humor they got from reading it (dismissing the obvious terrible english, I'm sure you aren't NA).

PS do me a favor and don't respond to this post please, I don't want to die laughing;;.

You are a moron.

[pchan]

There is no data on how attributes macc are affected under 50%, your data is flawed, sorry to tell you.

There is you fucktard.