Hunts and Evolith Discussion

[Bling]

i added the most recent ones from this thread about 4 hours ago.. along with the additions i saw on otherwikis HR page.

im actually not sure about Big Bomb and Big Bang.. cos maybe i saw a screenshot.. but i'm confused as to whether Big Bomb or Bang has been documented..
the wiki states they both have the same effect.. which is either a big coincidence or input error.
error seems more likely because with Big Bang and Hawkeyed Dnatbat we have 2 NMs which drop that, one high one low (scyld cost / bonus value) which kinda follows the trend.. unless its just different somehow

would be nice if someone came out and clarified between the 2.. somehow..

I killed Big Bang in Vunkerl Inlet, and he gave the dark magic: enmity -3 that I posted before. I typo'd Big Bomb however, so that may have been put into the wiki in both spots. I haven't killed Big Bomb, so don't know what he drops.

[michaeldue]

Does anyone know if vs. Birds actually work against Colibri?

I just did some testings and initial display wasn't looking convincing

I could see the regular attack from the Armour as it is in its basic form go into effect I would say.

- But I couldn't really see the attack I should have gained from vs. Birds in my numbers

- Maybe my numbers was just weird, but considering I have vs. Birds: Attack+22 then I would have thought I would had seen a bigger difference than what I actually did.

If anyone have done some more tests or are able to then it would be great.

If I've just waisted my last 14 days making all this sh#¤ and it doesnt work vs. Colibri then I'm gonna press "DELETE CHAR" lol ;;

[Bling]

Frock was also able to hold a vs family apature, think it was all 5 dark based ones (stuck Ice on it, but synthed it into bliault since)

I just checked a plain Ebon Mask I have. It gets a solid triangle, 6, ice water earth dark for first slot and an open circle, 4, only light for second slot. There is no 3rd possible on it.

[TummieGaruda]

Does anyone know if vs. Birds actually work against Colibri?

I just did some testings and initial display wasn't looking convincing

I could see the regular attack from the Armour as it is in its basic form go into effect I would say.

- But I couldn't really see the attack I should have gained from vs. Birds in my numbers

- Maybe my numbers was just weird, but considering I have vs. Birds: Attack+22 then I would have thought I would had seen a bigger difference than what I actually did.

If anyone have done some more tests or are able to then it would be great.

If I've just waisted my last 14 days making all this sh#¤ and it doesnt work vs. Colibri then I'm gonna press "DELETE CHAR" lol ;;

It is more than likely a hidden bonus similar to using circle abilities and getting a 15% attack and defense bonus against the family.

[michaeldue]

Yeah but the problem was - my normal attacks stayed just about the same when I switched Scorpion Harness in instead for instance and other gear.

[TummieGaruda]

Which Birds were you testing on: Merit Birds or Birds outside Whitegate? What job and total attack before Vs. Birds attack? What were you numbers like?

[michaeldue]

Which Birds were you testing on: Merit Birds or Birds outside Whitegate? What job and total attack before Vs. Birds attack? What were you numbers like?

Well thats the thing I gotta run a parse program I guess before I can say anything for sure and it probably IS working, it SHOULD work.

But on Colibri Just outside Whitegate as SAM/DNC with Soborro and 375 Attack I did average 95dmg per hit with the new vs. Birds Attack+21 Gear on.

- I then switched all that gear off and equipped stuff without vs. Birds Attack+ (for instance Scorpion Harness+1 and some other stuff) But I keept my Basic Attack at 374 (so only 1 less than my base attack before gearswap) and my numbers where still average'ing 95dmg per hit...

So thats why I thought it was kinda weird.

Anyways I guess to find out whats real and whats not real and to just find out more about this, then I'll have to compare with the EP Regular Birds outside Nashmau or something and use a pass program.

[requim]

Fowling Earring says birds and intimidates Colibri, so I am inclined to believe that Colibri are considered birds. Would also be very silly for different level Colibri to be considered different a family, so if it works for any pink bird it should work for all pink birds.

Could just be SE's shitty programming that the augments don't actually work, as opposed to the description being misleading.

[Bling]

Well thats the thing I gotta run a parse program I guess before I can say anything for sure and it probably IS working, it SHOULD work.

But on Colibri Just outside Whitegate as SAM/DNC with Soborro and 375 Attack I did average 95dmg per hit with the new vs. Birds Attack+21 Gear on.

- I then switched all that gear off and equipped stuff without vs. Birds Attack+ (for instance Scorpion Harness+1 and some other stuff) But I keept my Basic Attack at 374 (so only 1 less than my base attack before gearswap) and my numbers where still average'ing 95dmg per hit...

So thats why I thought it was kinda weird.

Anyways I guess to find out whats real and whats not real and to just find out more about this, then I'll have to compare with the EP Regular Birds outside Nashmau or something and use a pass program.

I think 22 attack is going to be pretty hard to see just eye balling. It's not like it's berserk.
I have been wondering how the attack will show up though, if it's hidden like the circle JA's or if it kicks in when you engage a bird (or w/e other family) and you can see it increase in your equip screen.

[ronin sparthos]

Fowling Earring says birds and intimidates Colibri, so I am inclined to believe that Colibri are considered birds. Would also be very silly for different level Colibri to be considered different a family, so if it works for any pink bird it should work for all pink birds.

Could just be SE's shitty programming that the augments don't actually work, as opposed to the description being misleading.

He'd have to parse to get solid answers, eyeballing it isn't going to work in this instance.

[requim]

What would he parse?

Description says vs birds. Fowling earring is bird killer. If Fowling earring works (ie you see an intimidate at least once) on colibri, then it would follow that they are in fact birds.

If the newly released evoliths don't work as described (I'm totally shocked they wouldn't) SE should ninja edit it shortly.

I think the obvious, probable situations are it's either too small a sample size or that SE fails at programming. Or both.

[Viq]

Description says vs birds. Fowling earring is bird killer. If Fowling earring works (ie you see an intimidate at least once) on colibri, then it would follow that they are in fact birds.

Colibri are also associated with the Birds rune in MMM, for what it's worth.

[Havok]

I think he's just expecting too much out of a measly 21 attack. imo the only way most ebon pieces will be usefull is if you can put something good into the 3rd (magic: w/e) slot. The vs. family: evoliths are all but worthless.

[Mazmaz]

He'd have to parse to get solid answers, eyeballing it isn't going to work in ANY instance.

ftfy

[michaeldue]

I have been wondering how the attack will show up though, if it's hidden like the circle JA's or if it kicks in when you engage a bird (or w/e other family) and you can see it increase in your equip screen.

Hidden yes.

My visible Attack numbers doesn't change upon engaging or hitting a bird.

[pchan]

I think he's just expecting too much out of a measly 21 attack. imo the only way most ebon pieces will be usefull is if you can put something good into the 3rd (magic: w/e) slot. The vs. family: evoliths are all but worthless.

Parse are not needed. The maximum melee attack or maximum crit hit will go up. Idk what kind of DEF the outisde birds have, but 95 average is far from capped pdif so 370->390 attack should be pretty significative. The cratio is multiplied by (390/370)=1.05. The maximum melee hit /crit hit must go up by a few digits.

[Shamaya]

Dk why, but the NPC in this picture freaks me out.

Spoiler: show

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...g?t=1261097843

[Bling]

Any pics of etched ebur out there yet?~ I'm still curious how that sets shapes/sizes/elements will work out.

[Gunslinger]

Isn't it on wiki? All 5 have some sort of vs luminians bonus.

On a side note, found sugaar and got a size 2 +1 crit evo onry;;
Need to camp it again tomorrow.

Just an FYI- Mac and I camped this again tonight. He got a size 2 again

I got a size 6 that was crit +3%, which I'm pretty happy with. If an 8 power exists it may be +4, but the mob is kind of a pain in the ass so I may end up just using the +3, I'm not sure yet!

[NynJa]

You want to know if vs. birds work against colibri?

Bloodpool Vorax 2 2 0 5 Vs. birds: Mag.Atk.Bns. +1
Dyinyinga 4 6 0 20 Vs. Birds: Mag.Atk.Bns. +2

There wont be any variation, Magic Atk Bonus WILL add X damage.


Sugaar was pretty easy to 3box blm blm rdm.