Guild Wars 2: Pre-Release Discussion

[Kuishen]

WAR was a better game than TOR currently is. I honestly will not be playing TOR beyond this month. Only reason I'm even playing it at all is because a friend bought it for me. I cannot wait until GW2 comes out. As it's been said, even if you don't enjoy it from the get go, you can try it every 3-6 months and see what's changed.

I have several friends that argue with me every time I see them that TOR is amazing and they think I'm insane because I said the storylines were shit, the VA was subpar and that the game was a WoW clone. I just don't fucking understand people, and then when I explain how much better GW2 promises to be in every aspect they just go "WvWvWvW sounds like a lagfest." "Dynamic events sound exactly like what Rift did and that game sucked." "The combat doesn't look any different from WoW." Had a friend tell me all of that not even 12 hours ago.

I just don't understand. I just don't. Conversation usually ends with us calling each other idiots.

[Dantrag]

Some of the story is good. Most is very bland. The DS/LS system is horrible. After a while you notice that a lot of the VA is repeated. The problem right now is that GW2 is nothing but promises. Until it's released, we can't know for sure if they're going to deliver(I hope that they do because I want the game to be as epic as I think it will be). People are blinded in one way or another about games. I think most people that are blinded by TOR never really played a decent mmo before.

[Agito]

Nothing scares people away from a mmorpg like empty servers and most of the servers in Swtor are pretty much dead number wise and the heavy instanced game world really does make it feel like it's a single player game which is an absolutely terrible feeling. GW2 won't really have server population problems and high server populations will actually encourage more and more people to purchase the game and start playing. It could all go downhill though if the game turns out to be extremely boring without anything worthwhile to do or whatever so i guess we'll have to wait and see if it's worth it.

[Alderaan]

I have several friends that argue with me every time I see them that TOR is amazing and they think I'm insane because I said the storylines were shit, the VA was subpar and that the game was a WoW clone. I just don't fucking understand people, and then when I explain how much better GW2 promises to be in every aspect they just go "WvWvWvW sounds like a lagfest." "Dynamic events sound exactly like what Rift did and that game sucked." "The combat doesn't look any different from WoW." Had a friend tell me all of that not even 12 hours ago.

I just don't understand. I just don't. Conversation usually ends with us calling each other idiots.

I actually enjoyed TOR more than WAR but both games were very subpar. I feel the same way you do when i talk to friends about TOR though. They keep telling me how awesome Eternity Vault is and i have to wonder if we played the same game. Having done Hammerknell in Rift makes EV look like a low level starter instance. People like what they like i suppose, but man people are crazy.

[Hyan]

Maybe the game is not doing as badly as one would think? Looking at your posts the following seems to be there.

[Dantrag]

I actually enjoyed TOR more than WAR but both games were very subpar. I feel the same way you do when i talk to friends about TOR though. They keep telling me how awesome Eternity Vault is and i have to wonder if we played the same game. Having done Hammerknell in Rift makes EV look like a low level starter instance. People like what they like i suppose, but man people are crazy.

Lol, I actually felt the other way. PVP in WAR was a MILLION times more fun. BGs and the world pvp was actually... world pvp. They had new BGs for level ranges which kept it fresh. They had it so there were actual bottle necks and there was no clipping which made the game just that much more awesome.

[vrumpt]

TOR isn't nearly as bad as some of you make it out to be, but that's OT.

Really it's important to remember now that nobody knew swtor wasn't that great until people started getting into beta. We don't have any impressions yet from beta and won't until March. I want gw2 to be as amazing as it sounds right now. My hype level for gw2 has reached unstable limits, but you still have to brace yourself for the worst.

[Alderaan]

Lol, I actually felt the other way. PVP in WAR was a MILLION times more fun. BGs and the world pvp was actually... world pvp. They had new BGs for level ranges which kept it fresh. They had it so there were actual bottle necks and there was no clipping which made the game just that much more awesome.

Oh i agree with you on PVP. I should have been more specific as i was talking about PVE.

Also Vrumpt is correct, it's not as bad as some of us make it out to be. Like i said, i'd give it a 6/10 which isn't bad.

I like to go into new MMO's with low expectations, which i did with TOR, and was still disappointed. GW2 may be the same and i'll be the first to say it if it is. The difference is, the PVP is already way ahead of what any other MMO is doing, just from a mechanics standpoint. 3 "factions" and skill based? Sign me up.

[Dantrag]

But TOR really is that bad. I ran EV with a PUG last night and we were able to down the 1st boss in 3 attempts. Got one attempt in on the 2nd boss but broke because we started late as and we were all tired. PVP is pretty dull at 50. Some of the matches are pretty tough and fun but for the most part it's a one way slaughterfest. Hutt Ball is fucking retarded for the classes that have movement speed increases or gap closers which means Sith and Jedi have such an advantage it's not even funny.

[Lucavi]

PUGs being shitty does not make for a bad game. You can talk about PVP being dull or whatever, but I try to take the best a game has to offer, and if that best doesn't stack up to other games, -then- I call the game bad. Its why I still feel that Rift is a good game; the -best- parts of it are still pretty awesome.

Anyone can make any online game seem shitty if they talk about how PUGs drag it down. Its like saying TF2 sucks because of random PUG servers, as compared to official highlander matches and clan vs. clan matches.

[Purrrfect]

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I'm positive this is swtor's Achilles' heel.

[Dantrag]

PUGs being shitty does not make for a bad game. You can talk about PVP being dull or whatever, but I try to take the best a game has to offer, and if that best doesn't stack up to other games, -then- I call the game bad. Its why I still feel that Rift is a good game; the -best- parts of it are still pretty awesome.

Anyone can make any online game seem shitty if they talk about how PUGs drag it down. Its like saying TF2 sucks because of random PUG servers, as compared to official highlander matches and clan vs. clan matches.

I don't know about you. But I don't think anyone should "try to take the best a game has to offer". It should stand on it's own merits. I shouldn't have to strive to find good things with the game. It DOESN'T stack up to other games. It doesn't stack up to RIFT, WAR, WoW. The only reason I'm playing is because there is nothing else and I got the game for free...

[Purrrfect]

http://www.arena.net/blog/the-savage-pride-of-the-jotun

The new jotun art depicts the race as being taller and more intelligent looking than the art from the original Guild Wars, which helps to better illustrate the race’s history and the fact that they are sentient, smart creatures—not rock-tossing droolers. The primitivism we see in their clothing and weapons is a sharp contrast to the magical monuments located at their camps—and that, too, is deliberate. Showing the decline of a race from power and civilization into primitivism, all because they could not stop fighting amongst themselves, is important to the game’s theme. It illustrates what might happen if the player character races can’t give up their old arguments and unite against the threat of the Elder Dragons.

Will be interesting to see if some servers are so different from others as far as cooperation that the game world is distinctly different. /pipedream

[Rulke]

Let’s not get caught up in the hype wheel too quickly though. Its the same process with every new promising MMO. People start going ape shit at how awesome it sounds and how the developers rage about how awesome its going to be etc. I'm not here to hate and I'm in the boat that GW2 will be awesome. However, let’s not praise it as the messiah until we, as players, have gotten our hands on it. The game will start getting real feedback and criticism (both positive and negative) when gamers get a hold of it.

[vrumpt]

Let’s not get caught up in the hype wheel too quickly though. Its the same process with every new promising MMO. People start going ape shit at how awesome it sounds and how the developers rage about how awesome its going to be etc. I'm not here to hate and I'm in the boat that GW2 will be awesome. However, let’s not praise it as the messiah until we, as players, have gotten our hands on it. The game will start getting real feedback and criticism (both positive and negative) when gamers get a hold of it.

Truth.

However I do believe that based off of just their design philosophy they've talked about and all the information we know from the demos related to that design philosophy, GW2 is going to be as amazing as they are making it out to be. WvWvW sounds just amazing, and is specifically something i've been shouting in the suggestion box of other MMOs for years now. It specifically has features that I have been asking for for years. Literally the only thing I can think of that can hurt it at this point is a lack of diverse dynamic events, but heres hoping ArenaNet knows what they're doing and haven't let that happen. So far they have proven that they do know what they are doing, so i'm really not worried at all.

In all, I don't think any MMO released recently or that will release in the next year will be able to hold a candle to what GW2 is going to offer. The past 6 years has had the MMO genre playing catch up to WoW; the next 6 is going to have everybody playing catch up to GW2. No game poised to released soon is going to be comparable to what GW2 is aiming to become. There I said it, thats how i feel.

[Takiwaki]

The hype wheel has left and is speeding downhill lol, I tried to be very objective when it came to this game. Anet were making alot of promises and doing things we were not even aware could be done in an mmo, changing things that we just couldn't see not existing in an MMO. Then they started to actually show it in action. From videos to demos, they basically proved that they know what they were doing. I even decided to go check it out myself. Yea it made things worse.

[Dantrag]

Can you explain what you mean a bit more? I'm a little confused.

[Takiwaki]

Can you explain what you mean a bit more? I'm a little confused.

All i'm saying is the hype is somewhat justified as they have basically shown everything they want to do, in action and working. That's all I meant really.

I went to pax to play, to see what all the hype was about, and came out more hyped than I was before. it just works. It's hard to explain. All the doubts I had about the system, gameplay etc, just went through the door. I have never seen a game in an alpha state that was already so polished.

[Alderaan]

Truth.

However I do believe that based off of just their design philosophy they've talked about and all the information we know from the demos related to that design philosophy, GW2 is going to be as amazing as they are making it out to be. WvWvW sounds just amazing, and is specifically something i've been shouting in the suggestion box of other MMOs for years now. It specifically has features that I have been asking for for years. Literally the only thing I can think of that can hurt it at this point is a lack of diverse dynamic events, but heres hoping ArenaNet knows what they're doing and haven't let that happen. So far they have proven that they do know what they are doing, so i'm really not worried at all.

In all, I don't think any MMO released recently or that will release in the next year will be able to hold a candle to what GW2 is going to offer. The past 6 years has had the MMO genre playing catch up to WoW; the next 6 is going to have everybody playing catch up to GW2. No game poised to released soon is going to be comparable to what GW2 is aiming to become. There I said it, thats how i feel.

Totally agree with you except for the hardcore raiders. I think they'll be bored without that carrot but that's what WoW/Rift is for.

The smartest thing Anet is doing, in my opinion, is not splitting up the races on each server into factions. That right there is just pure gold and every MMO from here on out should do. Being able to play with all your friends despite their preferences is awesome. No more " i don't wanna play the evil faction cause all the emo kiddos play them" or "screw the goodie goodie faction". I can't wait to play what i want to play with whom i want to play.

[Lucavi]

I think, for once, I could care less what the hardcore raiders have to do in GW2. If they can't find a carrot to grind for, so be it. I'm going to have so much crazy fun simply being a PVP-nut and an alt-a-holic that I couldn't care less what some basement-dwelling mouthbreather is doing (or in this case, not doing) in his spare time.

I will say this: I hope the game blows up enough to be reminiscent of the old WoW days. The days where you could buy an expansion pack from any store and instantly start a conversation with the clerk because you both play. It was so much fun simply buying shit for WoW because it always turned into either a bromance if we were both Horde or a rivalry battle at the checkout counter if they were Alliance.