Iran, people stand up

[Cadsuane]

this crisis was on going, and the people are getting sick and tired of ahmedi's regime.
America, liberate the iranian peoples! its what you do best no?

Looks to me like they're determined to liberate themselves.

[Day]

My friend was saying the president over there said we are stopping the coming of the saviour or something and he has physical evidence? what the fuck was he on about?

[Kuya]

He probably means that the US is aiding war.

[Day]

Hold on he said it was on CNN.

[Effluo]

Hidden Imam and Apocalypse wut?

[Day]

Ok here we go. Fox website but whatever:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579640,00.html

This nigga crazy.

Ahmadinejad reportedly claims he has documented evidence that the U.S. is blocking the return of Mahdi, the Imam believed by Muslims to be the savior.

“We have documented proof that they believe that a descendant of the prophet of Islam will raise in these parts and he will dry the roots of all injustice in the world,” Ahmadinejad said during a speech on Monday, according to Al Arabiya.

[Kuya]

Well that's certainly a nice way to try and get people to stop protesting.

[Effluo]

I don't remember when and where it was, but I remember an interview with Ahmadinejad saying he wanted to hasten the coming of the 12th Imam and bring about the Apocalypse.

[Kuya]

He is one loveable goof, i'll say that much.

[Kyreth]

this crisis was on going, and the people are getting sick and tired of ahmedi's regime.

America, liberate the iranian peoples! its what you do best no?

No, they suck shit at liberating the Iranians.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-reza-shah.jpg

Like putting this guy in charge. That was gold right there.

[Faris]

I really hope you're not somehow trying to say that the hereditary monarchy is somehow more democratic than the theocratic oligarchy. Furthermore, if this issue is about religion, Wahabism comes from Saudi Arabia, and as Americans should recall, this is the same school of thought that the people involved in 9/11 were immersed in.

i'd just like to clear out something about this so called "Wahabism".

Sheikh ul Islam Muhammad ibn 'Abd Al-Wahhab ibn Sulaiman ibn Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Rashid Al-Tamimi[1] (1703–1792) (Arabic: محمد بن عبد الوهاب التميمي‎) was an Islamic scholar born in Najd, in present-day Saudi Arabia. Despite never specifically calling for a separate school of Islamic thought, it is from ibn Abd-al Wahhab that the term Wahhabism derives.

He believed that those who practice innovation in Islam which sometimes is practiced in Sufism and mostly in Shia Islam, are Kufr (infidels).[2][3][4]

For this reason, Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab destroyed the shrines that were erected over graves and was also considering destroying the dome above the grave of the Prophet Muhammad, out of fear that it might be worshipped.

this is from wiki, but it does give a general idea of what shk. Abdul Wahab did, now the people he pissed off from other sects of Islam created this wahabism. he never had a special school for his ideaology, he never preached anything extra from the sunni beliefs.

this is an article from one of the greatest scholars of our time Shk. Ibn Baz talking about Shk Ibn Abdul Wahab. http://www.ahya.org/amm/modules.php?...icle&artid=180

about Ahmedi's comments about the 12th imam, the Mehdi - this is his opinion, nothing to do with the general view of muslims or islam.


but yeah, i dont think the iranians would like their country to be another Iraq, i was just being silly.

[Kuya]

The religious ideology was never explicitely advocated by Ibn Wahab, ignoring the historical reasons as to how his teachings and actions came to be used by the later Saudi Monarchy, we can however talk about what the State uses it for. With that said, the Saudi Monarchy is the one who was involved in the founding of Wahabism, and one of the primary reasons for this was to legitimize itself as a rightful authority. Wahabism is intricately linked to the monarchy's interests.

[Faris]

link me something of that prz

[Darus Grey]

Question to those more well-versed in Iranian politics than I: What happens when the Ayatollah dies? Is there an election for a new one or does he simply get chosen like the pope?

A new one is elected by the assembly of experts, whom is elected by the people. The AoE is basically an elected electoral college.

This is of course meaningless because it became clear this year that Iran is a military dictatorship hiding behind a democracy.

Also as resident expert on Iranian politics, I concluded a long time ago that Ahmadinejad is actually the front-man hiding behind the facade of being the puppet, or he's a puppet who cut his strings...it's the only way it all adds up.

[Kuya]

link me something of that prz

On Wahabism being used to legitimize the Saudi monarchy?

[Faris]

yeah sure, what you explained to me.

[Kuya]

It was either from:

La Yihad by Gilles Kepel

or

El Ala Radical Del Islam by Waleed Saleh Alkhalifa

When i have time i will look for the specific place where it says it.

[Faris]

so i guess if people wanna judge me, they'll call me wahabi.
cus im strict about adhering with the prophet's teachings and the Quran.
shouldnt that be the proper way if one truly believes that this is the word of God?
skimmed through some pages, the author has many misconceptions, he refers to events as he sees it, but w/e

thats why im going to saudi in my spring break, gonna find out exactly what the deal is.
i r teh seeker of teh truthz.

[Darus Grey]

Wahabism is really limited to Saudi Arabia...it's kind of like the Mormonism of Islam...completely incompatible with Vanilla Islam, and made up by some dudes who wanted power.

[Faris]

ok that book has mistakes, sorry. just read more of it. some issues were addressed very accurately though.

thats the problem with non-arabic authors going deep in islamic/arab cultures, most of them arent accurate.

Wahabism is really limited to Saudi Arabia...it's kind of like the Mormonism of Islam...completely incompatible with Vanilla Islam, and made up by some dudes who wanted power.

there is extremism, no doubt about. and yes, in saudi there is alot, but it isnt wahabism, its just extremism. afghanistan, yemen, pakistan, saudi, iran all have a big population of extremism.