Dust 514

[BaneTheBrawler]

don't forget how DUST's ONLY unique feature consists of a chatroom and the rare orbital strike. which can be performed with warbarges.


cant even fucking transfer isk between the games. my dust bunny's corp tax just vanishes into the ether. sure as hell doesn't go to my corp wallet.

[Sol-Blackguy]

Welp! The fix is in: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/05...roject-legion/

People are trading in their PS3s and getting AUR refunds from sony as we speak. Glad I quit months ago or I'd actually be pissed off.

[BaneTheBrawler]

wait, i'm confused. what are they actually doing?

[Sol-Blackguy]

Outside of a couple patches, they're stopping all development on Dust 514 and copy/pasting it on PC. No news of any character transferring or compensation to be had. This was the big Dust 514 announcement at fanfest. Anyone that went this year is comparing it to going on vacation with their girlfriend and getting dumped when they get there.

[Cantih]

I was asleep during the stream, so I can only go by what I'm seeing online (which may be wrong).

They are doing a PC FPS that includes PvE (so basically, CCP's Destiny), they will call this Legion.
Legion gameplay will not be in DUST 514. Legion in fact, will likely be a different codebase than DUST.
So it likely isn't even DUST 2.0, which means no progression will carry over.

Basically, if CCP doesn't get ahead of the complaints soon, it's looking to be a DUST side Walking in Stations catastrophe.

[Sol-Blackguy]

The problem is that there's no news of any compensation for anyone that participated in the beta or made microtransactions for the past two years. Also, if Sony is stepping in to give players refunds, even they know shits gone sour. But even with all that said there's a much bigger issue than just the future of a soon to be dead PS3 lobby FPS.

Dust 514's beta wasn't a beta. During the whole time they had microtransactions. It was a pay per view of a game that had no defined future or identity. All the money that players put in with little to no promises made on CCP's in. This format is dangerous if it continues for both beta players and even backers. I already contacted channel awesome about this and we'll probably see an Angry Joe video about it. But in the future (and present) I'm going to be very weary about FTP beta games.

[BaneTheBrawler]

it only took them years to figure out what players have been telling them since they announced DUST; PC or bust.

[Sol-Blackguy]

My first reaction was "the console community is not mature/patient enough for a CCP game." No offense to console gamers, mind you, but you have to really have a specific gaming upbringing to put up with CCP's brand of bullshit.

[Cantih]

To be fair, CCP was slow on output for DUST even for CCP. At the Hollywood thing (if it happens) I intend to be pretty blunt in telling them, the state the game is in now, it should have been at 9 months ago.

There is no good reason the player to player market should not have been in already, it does not tax the in match performance.
Putting art assets on Drones for PvE was silly, when you can just adjust the existing suits a bit and use Sansha instead (who already have an excuse for being on plantets). You still have AI work, but you gotta take workload cuts where you can.

[Sol-Blackguy]

Don't you get it? Rogue just gave a giant middle-finger to the console market, took his ball and went home. They've been quiet for months, and now we know why. What makes it worse is that they weren't upfront about giving up. Legion isn't a different game, it's Dust 2.0 by another name. The first half of the keynote was nothing more than a eulogy. But out of all this, I really feel sorry for the people that actually made the trip to fanfest. Good thing Icelandic women are hot and the beer is cheap.

[Cantih]

https://forums.dust514.com/default.a...57#post2124157

1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?

If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon.

2) Are you completely abandoning DUST dev?

No. Without promising too much, we are actively working on stuff like balancing, Planetary Conquest, matchmaking, the in-game economy, and more. And of course we continue to work with the CPM to identify ways to improve the game.

Though the last bit doesn't mean much because http://www.dust514base.com/2014/05/b...cpms-hand.html

We had countless meetings regarding messaging and how and when to unveil "Project" Legion. Among the very first things we said to CCP, was an emphatic, and unanimous;

"DO NOT WAIT UNTIL FANFEST TO TELL PEOPLE. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL PEOPLE AT FANFEST"

During these discussions, a plan was laid out to reveal the project much sooner. However... this is life, and things happen to even the best of plans to ruin them. Even so, this could not really have been unveiled in a worse way.

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And from what I've heard, Legion does sound like an inherently different style of game. Less suit/weapon flexibility, and salvage sounds like it's "Ok, lets do EVE Destiny instead."

[Sol-Blackguy]

My question is why didn't he mention character transfer at Fan Fest?

[Cantih]

I'm guessing here, but Legion is likely to have a different skill list/progression method than Dust, so it's likely if anything at all it'll be a translation, not transfer, of progress.
And since legion is very early in development (the video is just a UI flow change, and a graphics upgrade, it's just UE3 Dust with a bit of elbow grease, on PC.), so they don't even know how it would go down.
That's the how, so now we move on to the why.

When you log into the DUST forums, you might notice that you use your PSN login, not your EVE login. The DUST characters are inherently tied to the PSN account. The theory going around is that they Sony may not allow the transfer of character states from a game that's just on their platform to a new game that's not on their platform.
Hell, besides CCP diversifying due to the Oculus/facebook brouhaha, and Sony needing support for their hardware, the push for Valkyrie also on Morpheus may have been a cost of letting CCP abandon DUST on the PS3 after the update/QA sweetheart deal they had.

And because of business and lawyers, CCP can't exactly come out and make statements to that effect. Well, that's half of it, the other being Shanghai is retarded at PR and Iceland didn't keep a decent enough check on it.

[Sol-Blackguy]

I wouldn't believe anything coming from CCP/CPM since they knew about this since October.

Also, this just got posted:

[Cantih]

I wouldn't believe anything coming from CPM since they knew about this since October.

You do realize the CPM is under NDA (something legally binding with consequences), and the "wait, wait" the CPM was giving us, was under the impression that the announcement wouldn't be executed when and how it was?

[Sol-Blackguy]

NDA or not, this was a real shitty move, especially after selling origin packs and omega boosters.

[Cantih]

That I won't deny, but the event was CCP's idea, not the CPM's.

Anger is justified, but it always has to be at the right people for the right reasons, otherwise all you do is cut yourself off at the legs.

[Sol-Blackguy]

Never said I had anything against the CPM for this. Actually I meant to type CCP/CPM. Stupid auto correct.
My anger is at CCP, and it just shows how useless the CPM is. They're basically interns playing community manager.

[Cantih]

Legion
https://forums.dust514.com/default.a...posts&t=162335
https://forums.dust514.com/default.a...05#post2159105
https://forums.dust514.com/default.a...68#post2160968
https://forums.dust514.com/default.a...22#post2161022
https://forums.dust514.com/default.a...54#post2161254

tl;dr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...RCoq1cVg#t=170
Motherfucker's gone full Tanaka


Also Nova Knife got sacked from the CPM. And newsletter subscribers got a 3-day active omega booster redemption to do.

[Sol-Blackguy]

Who's left in the CPM anyway? Iron Wolf Saber is still white knighting, Jenza promised a one on one wih Rouge but never delivered, (after being inactive for over a year) last time I heard from Hanz was when I played with him back in 1.6 and everyone is looking to crucify Kain over suspected collusion in PC/FW. Looking back, they really did bring EVE drama to Dust 514 lol.

Wonder if Nova is still under the NDA. It'd be interesting if everything he knew got leaked by an "anonymous" source.