Don't you know we are a theocracy

[Acturus]

Lies

http://news.puggal.com/wp-content/up.../cheerwine.jpg

Shit just got real.

FIFY

[Mizango]

Cheerwine is God juice. Give me that and a Bo-berry biscuit and I'd turn tricks at truck stops all weekend.

[Norellicus]

To be fair, curiosity might have half killed Schrödinger's cat.

Bravo sir, but half killed? The outcome is only in flux until observed, no?

[Mizango]

Bravo sir, but half killed? The outcome is only in flux until observed, no?

Or is it...

[Zosi]

In the context of religion, "Agnostic" and "Gnostic" are not opposites - Gnosticism is a religious sect which belongs very firmly in the theist camp, and more generally, lower-case "gnosticism" isn't really orthogonal to the atheism-theism line. Atheists and theists both tend to be very sure - MaxTM's triangle-shaped construction probably fits the situation much better.

[Kaylia]

In the context of religion, "Agnostic" and "Gnostic" are not opposites - Gnosticism is a religious sect which belongs very firmly in the theist camp, and more generally, lower-case "gnosticism" isn't really orthogonal to the atheism-theism line. Atheists and theists both tend to be very sure - MaxTM's triangle-shaped construction probably fits the situation much better.

Should be agnostic on top, and irrational at the bottom.

[Falaras]

One time I went to church, its the perfect enviroment to play Pokemon in, pretty sure I caught my first Mewtwo during church.

[Mizango]

One time I went to church, its the perfect enviroment to play Pokemon in, pretty sure I caught my first Mewtwo during church.

A divine idea.

[Hellfury]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_noncognitivism ?

[Max™]

"The sentence X is a four-sided triangle that exists outside of space and time, cannot be seen or measured and it actively licks ice-cream is an example of an unthinkable proposition."

Imaginary proposition!

It is thinkable, but it probably does not exist. Imaginary Agnostic ftw!

Should be agnostic on top, and irrational at the bottom.

Genius!

Btw, the cat was/wasn't dead until you observed it and changed the past state within the temporal interaction overlap.

[Kryssan]

I like telling people that I'm an agnostic gnostic. Of course, I also ask anyone who responds to the religion question with agnostic with 'Agnostic what?'



Then again, the only reason religion is worth talking about at all is getting to hear the debates over who has the best imaginary friend.






On topic, Cheerwine? Really? That shit is nasty and stains the crap out of everything. My younger brother loved that stuff and he can never seem to keep the drink in the glass.

[Khamsin]

I like telling people that I'm an agnostic gnostic. Of course, I also ask anyone who responds to the religion question with agnostic with 'Agnostic what?'

And I always respond to that question with "middle ground agnostic", because I am neither agnostic theist nor agnostic atheist.

Like if I asked you if you believe I had wheaties for breakfast on my last birthday, and you genuinely didn't know and had no leanings one way or the other.

[Kaylia]

And I always respond to that question with "middle ground agnostic", because I am neither agnostic theist nor agnostic atheist.

Like if I asked you if you believe I had wheaties for breakfast on my last birthday, and you genuinely didn't know and had no leanings one way or the other.

I do believe that it is possible that you had wheaties for breakfast.

[Demosthenes11]

I do believe that it is possible that you had wheaties for breakfast.

but yet, I do believe it is impossible as well
shit is retarded - agnostic clears it up 99% of the time ; just not for religious wackos like some of you.

Seriously, if someone said "agnostic wat?" to me in person I might find it possible to deck them in the mouth

[Anomander]

One time I went to church, its the perfect enviroment to play Pokemon in, pretty sure I caught my first Mewtwo during church.

I lol'd. I got kicked out of sunday school as a child, due to asking too many questions. I guess me and religion never got along. This movement/law is ridiculous, and anyone involved is a retard

[Khamsin]

If you apply the scientific method to religion, what do you get? You make a hypothesis, and prove, disprove, or improve it. If the hypothesis is, "There exists an unmeasurable force in the universe," and it cannot be proven or disproven by the very nature of the statement, what does science dictate?

Personally, I have seen no definitive, reproducible evidence of a superior being, although if someone asked me if it were possible there were some divine being that carefully manipulated everything so perfectly so as not to leave a trace of his existence then I'd have to admit that it is possible, although I might consider it very unlikely given my (albeit limited) perspective of the universe. I might also question this being's motives for being so secretive and his intent for the universe.

Nonetheless, as I have no proof one way or another, but do not discount the possibility entirely, I have no choice but to consider myself agnostic.

[Kaylia]

If you apply the scientific method to religion, what do you get? You make a hypothesis, and prove, disprove, or improve it. If the hypothesis is, "There exists an unmeasurable force in the universe," and it cannot be proven or disproven by the very nature of the statement, what does science dictate?

Personally, I have seen no definitive, reproducible evidence of a superior being, although if someone asked me if it were possible there were some divine being that carefully manipulated everything so perfectly so as not to leave a trace of his existence then I'd have to admit that it is possible, although I might consider it very unlikely given my (albeit limited) perspective of the universe. I might also question this being's motives for being so secretive and his intent for the universe.

Nonetheless, as I have no proof one way or another, but do not discount the possibility entirely, I have no choice but to consider myself agnostic.

I agree with most of this, but I think religion is usually an answer to something far more fundamental

Science doesnt have the tools to answer questions related to the origin of this world (I would say universe, but I want to include every possible higher dimension and more fundamental particles). Because of this, we can't expect answer to this question to fit in the scientific methods, since it precede it.



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Religion aside, this is the biggest mystery for me. I don't know what came first, but the thought that something has no cause seem physically impossible from my perspective. No matter what we find, I will always wonder "what's the cause", and I do believe sciences could in theory find it.

[Demosthenes11]

the reason people always seek causality is because we don't possess the capacity to comprehend a reality with no time.

causality is a construct of time

[Kaylia]

the reason people always seek causality is because we don't possess the capacity to comprehend a reality with no time.

causality is a construct of time

A -> B is causality, and doesn't necessarily involve time. It could be simultaneous, it simply mean there is a relation between 2 elements

In physics, I agree that our observation are always related to time because of our nature, but the same questions applies to any mathematical model you could ever think about.

[Demosthenes11]

A -> B is causality, and doesn't necessarily involve time. It could be simultaneous, it simply mean there is a relation between 2 elements

In physics, I agree that our observation are always related to time because of our nature, but the same questions applies to any mathematical model you could ever think about.

hmmm, I'm trying to think of an example to help me understand this lol
I don't think I can say such a broad platitude but I'm having trouble wondering why
A -> B is a linear application of time