Will you still play Aion when FFXIV comes out?

[Shuichi]

Aion was a stop on the way to FFXIV. However, during this stop, I've actually learned that I like PvP. I hope to try the beta and gather more information on whether or not I'll leave Aion for XIV.

But, I just hit 50 a few days ago, and I feel like I'm starting to see what others are referring to as I can spend quite a bit of time flying around the Abyss looking for PvP. Also, the penalty you get from like Rank 3 and up from dying in PvP is pretty severe. It causes people to actually avoid PvP for fear of loosing large chunks of AP from being zerged or ganked while farming Balaur. I have a suspicion that when XIV launches, I'll be tired of Aion.

[Syntex]

The problem I am seeing for the next 2 years is the sheer number of good looking games coming out.

Cataclysm
Diablo III
Starcraft II
Aion Expansion(s)
Blade and Soul
Lineage III
FFXIV

I want to play them all but there isn't enough time.

I will give FFXI a try, but if I stay with Aion/BladeandSoul/WoW depends how each pair up to one another but I know I want an MMO alongside the SC and D3 because of their pick-up-and-play ability.

But who knows....

I want a PvP game and 14 shouldn't attempt it TBH its better without it but it all depends on if SE is smarter this time around or going to fuck up everything.

[Sta]

The problem I am seeing for the next 2 years is the sheer number of good looking games coming out.

Cataclysm
Diablo III
Starcraft II
Aion Expansion(s)
Blade and Soul
Lineage III
FFXIV

I want to play them all but there isn't enough time.

I will give FFXI a try, but if I stay with Aion/BladeandSoul/WoW depends how each pair up to one another but I know I want an MMO alongside the SC and D3 because of their pick-up-and-play ability.

But who knows....

I want a PvP game and 14 shouldn't attempt it TBH its better without it but it all depends on if SE is smarter this time around or going to fuck up everything.

I'll be leaving every game on my PC and tossing all my consoles out the window to play Diablo III, diablo II was addictive as fuck

[Bipolargod]

Going to skip ffxiv beta and just wait for the game to come out, 'til then I'll keep enjoying Aion ^^

[OzzofAsura]

I'll keep it short... No fucking way. If you've played XI, you know why.

[Kenichi]

I guess BG is the wrong place to ask, but probably not, no. I think I can firmly say that I won't be subscribed to Aion when FFXIV is released.

But it really is a decent placeholder for now and I'll definitely continue subscribing until FFXIV

If FFXIV somehow turns out badly (I'll probably stay anyway because of FFXI's impact/memories/nostalgia) there's always Blade & Soul or perhaps Star Wars to fall back on...

[burnation]

but economy is way to money dependent

http://images.bluegartr.com/forum/im...tasplanned.jpg

[Priran]

I prefer economies based on the bartering of livestock

I'll probably quit Aion around summer 2010 unless they've massively improved it by then. I'll try FFXIV and unless that's omfg awesome, end up cryogenically frozen until Lineage III is released.

[Hitoshura]

Will definitely give it a try, just hope it doesn't suck.

[Warudo Ecksu]

Definitely pumped for FFXIV

[Guyverarmor]

Ready for FFXIV as well ! Signed up for beta this morning ^^ so excited. Playing Aion right now until I either get accepted for Beta or when it comes out. FFXIV for me prease !

Plus, I miss the FFXI community alot...haven't seen as nearly a community on Aion yet.

[Drex]

I'm having a hearty laugh at people who assume 14 will be better content-wise at release than Aion. How quickly people forget the SE way...

We'll see when release hits I guess, but I'm not expecting much from 14. It'd take a miracle game for me to buy anything from them again.

[ringthree]

As much as i'd rather pick neither, it would have to be Aion.

Even though Aion already lacking in content, with no forseable future content comming soon (i will laugh if you think that future video will happen even next year) it does have the potential to be a good game and i'm willing to give them more time to develop the game further for a NA/EU audience and in the short time it has been out they have shown they actually listen to their customers and are willing to change things to suite their needs.

If listening to their customer base is your main concern, then WoW is definitely the way to go. The WoW development team is the most responsive in the industry bar none. NC is a little bit better than SE (it would be hard not to) but even Sony (with the EQs) is better.

That said, I don't know if responsiveness is necessarily a perfect world. I think it is 90% good, but listening to the player base too much can also be a bad thing (something Ghostcrawler has learned as of late). Blizzard also thinks more about why their customers are complaining rather than what they are complaining about. The rebalancing of the classes in Wrath is an excellent example of this. They stepped in and actually fixed the jobs that they wanted to be in different roles to fit those roles.

As for FF14 it is run by the same idiots that ran FF11 for god knows how many years screwing up the game and making things impossible (hai2u AV) why you would to play another game produced by them idk, they had their chances, do you really think SE has learnt from their mistakes i highly doubt it. I'm not sure why SE is even releasing a new MMO, anyone other then their fanboy base would be stupid to buy an MMO released by them again. Piss poor customer service and horrible game development, enjoy 14 lol.

I never really understood this complaint. I guess it's just the bitter gamer that is projecting their anger onto the game company instead of themselves.

Whether you like it or not, FFXI is a well run and successful game. A few people complaining about AV does not really effect the experience of 99% of the player base even those that want to fight AV.

Another one of those projections is the complaints about customer service. Outside of the few people that really did have to deal with the problems with SE and getting their account stolen, most of these complaints are from people that don't have the experience to make such claims and are just parroting what other people say.

SE's game development for FFXI is actually very good, especially considering the limitations of the game itself, but remember this game started development about 10 years ago and things are much different now than they were then. I think the problem right now is one of internal resources and nothing more.

SE doesn't "hate" their player base. They have learned from their mistakes and their are many examples of this. There are still some other mistakes they haven't or don't want to rectify (AV) but in the end the game experience in FFXI is excellent and enjoyable. It is far more social and it was built to be this way. Grumpy gamer kids may not really appreciate this aspect of the game, but in the end, we are all probably much better off without them.

And of course, if you just want to dismiss everything I just said, go ahead and call me an SE fan boy.

[Vail]

2. People have been banned for sending any large amount of money by mail, for using mouse macros, for using that DPS meter someone made, and for using a program that lets you see if a GM is active on your server and send them a whisper (which you can't do normally, even if you know their name).

so people got banned for using 3rd party programs or work arounds that allow you to perform actions normally not allowed. Better then SE did: every single claim botter in ffxi I knew never got banned (atleast not for botting) most people who got banned was for buying gil or the salvage dupps

I'd rather be choked out by a small child then play another SE MMO. Community? please: ffxi(like every other game) is filled with retards galore, you'll never find a game absent of their kind. FFXI players never learn, the ones who did learn and get smarter continue to do so, but the ones who failed to learn from day one still haven't learned anything.

[arus2001]

Color me one who never felt the XI community was the bestest thing evar. I tend to function under the assumption everyone's an idiot unless proven otherwise. When I do run into someone cool, great, but I just can't expect it to happen when most everyone is looking out for themselves when playing a game that'll penalize you in some way for failure.

Overall, I don't think Aion will keep me nearly as long as XI had, but I'll just blame that on a lack of content, some glaring balance issues, and some aspects of the grind still being rather miserable. All can be potentially fixed, but I also lurked around XI so long hoping for the same that I'm not really looking to repeat my history. I can't really say I've met many good "core" people on Kaisenel outside of someone from here (and I should probably actually try to talk to Tonks sometime, too).

That said, I'm wary of SE. They've got the chance to do things better this time around, and I'm sure many XIers are hoping they'll do just that. I'm hoping I'll get on the beta. I'm hoping the game will be polished enough to give us an idea on what to expect. There's nothing keeping me in Aion, right now, other than me just not being in the mood for XI after years of stagnation and having never gotten into WoW. I'm sure Diablo III will suck me in if it comes out before 2085, but Blizz has barely been more forthcoming than SE when it comes to that game.

[niwaar]

Wow... some of the hate in here is just ... wow.

While SE has been slow to learn on some matters, they made a wonderful, enriching and lasting game when they created FFXI. Many of us played it for 3-6 years of our lives. The game had its issues, but most were either fixed, or deemed part of the experience by now. SE is an asian company, that produced an asian MMO done better than any other MMO to date. It was a difficult and grindy game from the beginning that got easier as you learned the idiosyncrasies of the game. It had its fair share of things lacking... solo/small group play (but it wasnt supposed to have it), loot that lasted 5 years without seeing an upgrade (both a positive and a negative in a lot of people's minds.)

SE was never forthright about their plans for the game, never really seemed to have a valid portal in which fans (both Japanese and otherwise) could voice their concerns. This is how a lot of games were back then, and a lot of games are now. Not everyone has well moderated forums like Blizzard. Hell, even Blizzard was not upfront about a lot of things until Kalgan and Tigole moved to their new supersecret MMO. People like to point out the current status as "open dialogue with the developers" this is only a fairly recent situation.


I for one, am looking forward to FFXIV. I am playing Aion as a stopgap until XIV is released. Even then, Aion is sputtering loudly at the moment. The lack of incentives for PvP and huge disincentives for it make end game hugely disappointing. The complete lack of content at the end game, and the tediousness of the 45-50 content in general make it less of a priority to play these days.

[hagun]

I think SE is gonna learn from their mistakes in FFXI and make sure FFIV doesn't repeat. From the looks of it, SE seems to want FFIV to be much less group dependent as FFXI currently stands. If anything, FFIV might be much like Aion: you don't need a group nor do you need to spend 1-2 hours to start something. My forecast for FFIV is that it'll be much like WoW or Aion in terms of people being independent to get things done. You'll be able to log on, do/accomplish something then go about your business.

Of course, time will tell for sure. With that said, no way in hell I am not gonna try FFIV. It's pretty dumb for anyone not to give it a 30 day try at least. I don't know if I'll quit Aion for FFIV though. If FFIV turns to be better than Aion, then the choice is pretty obvious and my reaction will act accordingly. Right now though, Aion is more fun then anything.

[Alderaan]

It's still way too early to tell.

NC really fucked up with Fenris/Miragents set. There's no reason to do any instances now other than getting your stigma slots. Don't even get me started with crafted gear being pointless now also. Fix the incentives/penalties for being in the Abyss and the game will grow. I'm having tons of fun right now, even at 50, but there's lots of room for improvement.

Now, i'm sure SE learned their lesson from XI, but if i'm standing in one spot for 3-9 hours a day, then there's no fucking way in hell. Again, we don't know anything about gameplay, mechanics, party dynamics, or really anything. I'll definitely hit up XIV, but it's way too early for both games.

[MrSamuels]

I'm not going to call anyone a fanboy who voices their opinions about a game in response to something i said, don't get me wrong, i was sucked into FFXI for 4 years too, so something must have been good about it.

Some of your points are pretty valid in the fact some things in FFXI are enjoyable and they have great rewards which gives you a good sense of achievement from them. But then you look at others, where unfortunately due to the community (not saying the ffxi community sucks) you have to use 3rd party tools to even do any of it and for a while this was considered the best gear. That isn't very good design from their point of view and it is not like it is hard to fix, everyone knew when a bot claimed to a normal person. In the end even the community (those who cared about HNM) seemed to stop caring and everyone did it, just because they could get away with it.

Regarding my AV comment, i probably should have worded it better but i'm fairly sure i don't have to explain how annoyed some people are on this fight. I don't think it really is the fight itself, but the fact that even when the fight has been killed in different ways or even theorycrafted to different ways, all Square Enix has done is gone and changed it say that way was not the way, try again. Then you have the ever famous not so helpful video of them supposedly killing it the legit way that no one has ever really understood, and they have never really explained.

There are problems in most games, Errors when new content released in WoW, Gameplay errors in Aion. It may just be me but when playing these games, the devs seemed to shout up about it let the community know the know about itand then a hotfix or fix and the turn around would be implemented fairly quickly. In the time i played FFXI i don't think i ever saw anything fixed fast or changed fast, I don't think i've ever seen the devs come out other then at fanfest or interviews sent to them. And then some of the response you even got were rediculous (PS2 Limitations).

I'm all up for giving FF14 a chance, but i can't see how people are "hyped" for it given the current game they have out is all. So i will definitely be waiting on others opinions before i decide to jumping into that pool.

[Gamble1]

The problem I am seeing for the next 2 years is the sheer number of good looking games coming out.

Cataclysm
Diablo III
Starcraft II
Aion Expansion(s)
Blade and Soul
Lineage III
FFXIV

I want to play them all but there isn't enough time.

I will give FFXI a try, but if I stay with Aion/BladeandSoul/WoW depends how each pair up to one another but I know I want an MMO alongside the SC and D3 because of their pick-up-and-play ability.

But who knows....

I want a PvP game and 14 shouldn't attempt it TBH its better without it but it all depends on if SE is smarter this time around or going to fuck up everything.

If lineage 3 ever comes out, I'd drop Aion real fast.