Ares vs Heca

[Bromber]

Ive been wondering which is better Ares legs or Hecatomb legs, also Ares Feet or Hecatomb Feet. Using for dragoon and warrior, I have parsed it a few times and sometimes heca wins and sometimes ares wins.
Any suggestions?

[Aurara]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showt...=83405&page=34

[SaviorSelf]

Why is it so hard to find? The topic is within an inch of where it should have gone.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/714/53121984.jpg

[Aeowin]

The correct answer is use spellcast and use both when the situation requires it.

The second correct answer; read stickies.

[Princess]

I'll be honest- Probably because that thread just says "What's Better?" and about 99.9% of BG is people taking original posts off topic into silly bantering and derails for fun. I don't blame him for posting this trying to get a real answer faster then the 50 posts that are ready to follow going on and on about how farts smell or which one of Megan Fox's boobs are about to fall out of her latest dress.

As for an answer to your question OP. It all depends on the rest of your gear set up, what WS your trying to do and so on. (Its stupid but everything in this game like always, is situational) If these are the two gears of your choice for legs and feet---


For DRG i would TP in Ares' And WS in Heca- For WAR I wouldn't bother with heca for the legs. I can't give you concrete evidence to show whats best, But Just a Personal opinion.

Ares's Flanchard
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 35 HP +2% MP +2%
STR +6 DEX +6 INT -3 MND -3
"Double Attack" +2%
Set: Enhances "Double Attack" effect
Lv. 75 WAR / PLD / DRK / DRG

Hecatomb Subligar
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 42 HP +15 DEX +8 Attack +20
Slow +12%
Lv. 73 WAR / THF / PLD / DRK / BST / BRD /
DRG


For Drg I would Use Ares fulltime, and for War i would Tp in Ares and WS in heca. Again I can't give you concrete evidence to show whats best, But Just a Personal opinion.

Ares's Sollerets.
[Feet] All Races
DEF:20 HP +2% MP +2% VIT +3 AGI +3
Accuracy +7 Attack +7 Evasion -7
Set: Enhances "Double Attack" effect
Lv. 75 WAR / PLD / DRK / DRG

Hecatomb Leggings
[Feet] All Races
DEF: 22 HP +7 STR +6 DEX +3
Slow +4%
Lv. 73 WAR / THF / PLD / DRK / BST / BRD /
DRG

If anyone else has anything to add please feel free to This is just a personal choice for me, Not what you have to use. If your getting the same results pretty much with either or on ws's then just go with whatever you like best.

[Hyriu]

I'll be honest- Probably because that thread just says "What's Better?" and about 99.9% of BG is people taking original posts off topic into silly bantering and derails for fun. I don't blame him for posting this trying to get a real answer faster then the 50 posts that are ready to follow going on and on about how farts smell or which one of Megan Fox's boobs are about to fall out of her latest dress.

As for an answer to your question OP. It all depends on the rest of your gear set up, what WS your trying to do and so on. (Its stupid but everything in this game like always, is situational)


For DRG i would TP in Ares' And WS in Heca- For WAR I wouldn't bother with heca for the legs. I can't give you concrete evidence to show whats best, But Just a Personal opinion.
Ares's Flanchard
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 35 HP +2% MP +2%
STR +6 DEX +6 INT -3 MND -3
"Double Attack" +2%
Set: Enhances "Double Attack" effect
Lv. 75 WAR / PLD / DRK / DRG

Hecatomb Subligar
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 42 HP +15 DEX +8 Attack +20
Slow +12%
Lv. 73 WAR / THF / PLD / DRK / BST / BRD /
DRG


For Drg I would Use Ares fulltime, and for War i would Tp in Ares and WS in heca
Ares's Sollerets. Again I can't give you concrete evidence to show whats best, But Just a Personal opinion.

[Feet] All Races
DEF:20 HP +2% MP +2% VIT +3 AGI +3
Accuracy +7 Attack +7 Evasion -7
Set: Enhances "Double Attack" effect
Lv. 75 WAR / PLD / DRK / DRG

Hecatomb Leggings
[Feet] All Races
DEF: 22 HP +7 STR +6 DEX +3
Slow +4%
Lv. 73 WAR / THF / PLD / DRK / BST / BRD /
DRG

If anyone else has anything to add please feel free to This is just a personal choice for me, Not what you have to use. If your getting the same results pretty much with either or on ws's then just go with whatever you like best.

So many things wrong with this post.

What is haste?

[Princess]

So many things wrong with this post.

What is haste?

I dont see whats wrong with it, He asked for a opinion on two legs and two feet- I gave my opinion on both of them. I think i did fine answering the OP's Question. He wanted to know which is best, I told him which i would use in the situations. He didn't add in other legs and feet pieces that would be optimal for TPing or WS or idling what so and what not. Perhaps if you added something more besides your lolcomments it would help out. As far as i'm concerned I addressed what he asked.

[Darlantan]

... I don't blame him for posting this trying to get a real answer faster then the 50 posts that are ready to follow going on and on about how farts smell or which one of Megan Fox's boobs are about to fall out of her latest dress... For DRG i would TP in Ares'... For Drg I would Use Ares fulltime, and for War i would Tp in Ares...

If anyone else has anything to add please feel free to This is just a personal choice for me, Not what you have to use.

At least you are being nice about it and making sure the OP knows its just your personal opinion and havent done actual maths, parses or any other relatively valid ways to prove your answer/advice...

Its stupid to make a thread for something like this considering there is already a sticky about "What's Better", or even "Random Question". Furthermore, both of those are really good ones. Most answers given there are fairly accurate and often backed up with maths unless its well known facts. Most posters there are serious and try to answer most of what is asked, you may be confusing these threads with the ones in General? :3

Both for Warrior and Dragoon, Legs and Feet, you are always going to want to tp in % Haste, very few situations (if any) were you wouldnt want to be rocking your Haidate/Homam/SA legs, Aurum/Dusk/+1/Unicorn/Homam feet.

WS wise:

For KJ Ares's are one of the best pieces in game, only Hachiryu and the fomor pants can be situationally better. Hecatomb feet go well here.

For RR, you will most likely want to keep Byakko's Haidate on. You can argue using Ares's or Hecatomb since you got them, but 15 Dex is just too great to pass if you want to hit a good DEX number, and there are better trades. Its almost always to be better to keep Haidate and change something else from Dex to attack or w/e, than to change the Haidate and go with Dex somewhere else. There are exceptions. Hecatomb Feet here as well.

For SC, Ares's legs and Hecatomb feet.

DRG wise I am not sure but I would assume Drakesbane using the pieces listed in RR and KJ, and for Penta even though stats arent great and it cant crit. hit, Hecatomb Feet are going to still be better than Ares's, so this piece is almost never good. Legs wise, I am sure it would depend on the target and current attack before considering the legs to have a winner.

[Princess]

Also, I'm sure you have a haste build but since Hyriu pointed it out, If your looking for a haste build also for TPing (both DRG and WAR)Aurum Sabatons and (DRG only)Homan Gambieras are both great choices. Aurum will give you 5atttack and 5 acc and 2% haste, Homan 6 acc and 3% haste. These would both be good TP items. Dusk feet* are also available though not as great

For Legs best haste pieces for WAR are Byakko's Hadiate and DRG is Homan Cosciales.
Hope this and any other information helps.

[Darlantan]

Your initial post can be read as if you were actually suggesting to fulltime some of those pieces and to use them to tp over %Haste options, thats where Hyriu and I are coming from.

[Yugl]

I dont see whats wrong with it, He asked for a opinion on two legs and two feet- I gave my opinion on both of them. I think i did fine answering the OP's Question. He wanted to know which is best, I told him which i would use in the situations. He didn't add in other legs and feet pieces that would be optimal for TPing or WS or idling what so and what not. Perhaps if you added something more besides your lolcomments it would help out. As far as i'm concerned I addressed what he asked.

Do not TP in either of them. Use Homam or ASA Leg piece with Haste+3 and ACC+7 for TP. For WS, use Ares or Hecatomb depending on the rest of your gear.

[Princess]

Your initial post can be read as if you were actually suggesting to fulltime some of those pieces and to use them to tp over %Haste options, thats where Hyriu and I are coming from.

Its fine lol i wouldnt TP in either of them lol- But I also reread what i posted and edit'd it to make it clear- It was based only on the two choices he gave Thanks for being so polite though I appreciate it. Hope any of these posts are helping OP

[Malacite]

Heca Pants over Ares - Really? Are you that retarded? Sorry, but you're really asking for it. Only THF has any business doing that, and that's only assuming they don't have a Mandau.


As for TP... Homam > Ares. With regards to WAR & DRK, Ares is about as sweet as it gets for WS gear with the exception of E.Body. You have to be batshit crazy not to use Ebody on WS (or TP for that matter, it's probably one of the only full-time armors in the game for 75's)


Anyway, back to Ares vs Heca.

Head - Hecatomb Hands down. Less accuracy but +11 STR

Body - Again Heca, STR 12 Acc 10. Pwns everything but Ebody

Hands - Depends. Better STR on Heca, though only by 3 points vs +10 acc.

Legs - Already did this, Ares wins.

Feet - Again this depends on your accuracy. Heca will give higher damage if all hits connect.

^ note that the above recommendations are for weaponskills. Anyone who TP's in Heca needs their head examined.

[Chen]

would ares v heca really be that clear cut on DRG?

2dex 20atk v 6str 2 DA maybe, not much of a /ffmath person myself.

[Eanae]

Body - Again Heca, STR 12 Acc 10. Pwns everything but Ebody

Zahak's Mail. I'd also use Haub/+1 over Heca for War.

[BerenTebogo]

anyone who would use heca over haub on WAR is a tard <_<

[Mojo]

Claiming Ares's is so much better than Hecatomb for WS is a pretty bold statement. I'd like to see some sort of evidence supporting that.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, Hecatomb body is a piece of crap now. Is THF the only job with a use for it?

[Colenzo]

HEY BRO WHAT ARE THOSE +5% HASTE PANTS? I NEED TO GET ME SOME OF THOSE MAN!

[Genrye]

From a drg stand point:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=128126

This is my Drakesbane gear and it doesnt let me down, augments on the Fay lance are dmg +5 dex+3 thunder damage +13

All its really missing is VFork :/

For Tp:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=128560

Homam/nq dusk if you cant get ahold of dusk+1, askar or turban if aces isnt in your reach, nq snipers, swift belt etc etc.