Regarding Malicious Third-Party Programs used in FINAL FANTASY XI (12/24/2009)

[drwaffles]

3/32 servers, ohohoho~

Selective reading, ohohoho~

Sorry you don't want to hear it, it's not untrue just because you want it to be. Like I said, anyone worth a damn will usually tell you the same thing, though admittedly there's not a lot of those people left.

[Mayareira]

Re-read what you are saying.

FFXI "went shitty" because dupers, ToS violators got banned?

Seems like during January bannings several members of your linkshell, or the linkshells around servers you've been got banned. That's fine. Like I said, only a handful of people got banned on my server.

It might've changed things around end game arena, not because they were all wonderful and incredibly skilled people but because the game was already in "maintaining playerbase" phase. There weren't enough inflow of new players. Even if they didn't get banned by this time I bet half of them would simply get bored and quit.

It may indirectly appear to be that way to you, but in reality, it was just the declining popularity of an old game.

[Despain]

I don't think you realize how many people don't bot.

The game lived on after salvage bans, and it will continue to live on after this "ban," assuming it ever happens.

I personally think the game would be a lot more peaceful and enjoyable with those kinds of people gone, tbh.

Why are people comparing this to salvage bans? Are you fucking retarded?

Salvage duping was fucking miniscule compared to botting. A lot of the people I talked too didn't even know what it was, and they did salvage quite a fuck ton. Botting is something completely different entirely. The only reasons I've found for people not botting are a) they're scared of losing their accounts (which is impossible unless you're stupid and go afk with the bot on) or b) they don't play on PC.

Addendum:

Not saying no one bots, but I do agree people overestimate how many do.

If anyone was intelligent enough to go to the app list and look at how many people per server used FFXI-APP they'd realize that the average was 300 per server at best. Its not an overestimation.

I haven't read past page 6, but I found this interesting. Stop comparing this shit to salvage duping, because its no where even close to being the same. The only person that I know that got banned for salvage duping and really stands out on my server was Wopa. Everyone else I know that did Salvage around the time is still around, didn't even get temp banned.

EDIT: Also get off waffle's nuts, cause he's been making good points since he started posting in this thread.

[Eanae]

If anyone was intelligent enough to go to the app list and look at how many people per server used FFXI-APP they'd realize that the average was 300 per server at best. Its not an overestimation.

Don't forget to add Nasa, KA, XIClaim, Arenz, Fish bots, tele bots, stun bots, craft bots, and travel bots to that number!

[Thorny]

Ethics aside, botters are the players who are on 10-15 hours a day and often leave their characters on overnight to accomplish additional goals. I don't know about your servers, but remora's /sea all is 1044.. take off the botters and that's going to drop to 800 or so. It's a pretty significant difference, considering how difficult it's getting to level anything outside AB.. /sea all 1-74 fits in one search without being truncated as is.

[ronin sparthos]

EDIT: Also get off waffle's nuts, cause he's been making good points since he started posting in this thread.

Hahahaha, you can't be serious........but if you are....

All of waffles points have been some variation of: QQ, endgame ended and all the important people died when those Salvage bans were handed out. The endgame community sure loves to pride itself on intellectual superiority... and then we get inane babbling like this.

Too bad nothing short of annihilating every player that uses 3rd party windower would kill XI. Like I said before, people have been bitching this game was "over" since CoP ended and the devs ran people over to WoW. I too bitched when the RMT stole my account and yet XI went on..... shocking.

XI will be around long after XIV launches and hilarity will likely ensue when some of the most vocal XI bashers come back after XIV fails to meet the magical standards being set for it. I guess XIV will be "over" too then.

[Despain]

Ethics aside, botters are the players who are on 10-15 hours a day and often leave their characters on overnight to accomplish additional goals. I don't know about your servers, but remora's /sea all is 1044.. take off the botters and that's going to drop to 800 or so. It's a pretty significant difference, considering how difficult it's getting to level anything outside AB.. /sea all 1-74 fits in one search without being truncated as is.

I wish I could play 10-15 hours a day. Fuck RL.

[evilpaul]

I wish I could play 10-15 hours a day. Fuck RL.

If you had 10-15 hours a day to game I'd spend some of it playing a better game.

[pchan]

I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people claiming with utmost certainty that the bans didn't have any profound effect on the game are outside spectators who either don't participate in endgame or have some deep-seated hatred for anything and anyone related to it. Sorry, but you're outright wrong. If you've been part of a good endgame shell since the start of this year, you'd know that for a fact. There's virtually no good shells left - .

Who cares ? The "LS" system has been failure since day one. You can't fucking do all events within one single LS. One LS for each part of endgame has always been the way to go. Yes thoses bans had absolutely no effect on the game. 500 relic gone ? so ..? Good players banned .. so ? Salvage only requires 6 to enter..

[drwaffles]

FFXI "went shitty" because dupers, ToS violators got banned?

No, stop twisting others' words and instead argue against the points they actually made.

Even if they didn't get banned by this time I bet half of them would simply get bored and quit.

So your entire argument is based on the assumption that all the people who were banned would have quit anyway? Back before January, endgame was comparatively thriving on a lot of servers. In the aftermath, the majority of established shells were unable to support themselves any longer due to loss of members, lack of motivation and lack of potential influx of worthwhile replacements. Of course, this only applies to shells who continued to maintain high standards for recruitment - those who allowed their standards to slip simply became, excuse the pun, shells of their former selves.

All of waffles points have been some variation of: QQ, endgame ended and all the important people died when those Salvage bans were handed out.

I don't recall QQ'ing at any point, I'm simply stating what I and many others believe to be correct. The only things people seem to be able to come up with in response is some variation of "cheaters can go die!", "u mad" or "you just think you're important". Nowhere in this topic or in any other topic have I ever implied that I myself am in any way, shape or form important to FFXI. I'm almost entirely inconsequential, as are you and as is everybody else. What was essentially the cream of the crop of the player base either got banned or quit as a result of the knock-on effects - as a whole, yes, they were important. And no, not all of them are gone, no one's stupid enough to think that, although I'm sure a lot of you are stupid enough to imply that that's what I believe, hence I'm pre-empting it now.

XI will be around long after XIV launches and hilarity will likely ensue when some of the most vocal XI bashers come back after XIV fails to meet the magical standards being set for it.

Hope you're not referring to me or you're really getting your arguments muddled up. I rarely ever criticise FFXI, but I do believe the community is 99% comprised of idiots of one type or another.

This whole argument isn't going to get anywhere because the people on the opposite side to myself and anyone who isn't a moron are simply taking everything out of context, paraphrasing the points made in a sad attempt to make it look like we're insinuating things which are obviously complete rubbish and then arguing against their own retarded interpretations. I'm sorry you're all so butthurt about that guy who once outclaimed you against Spipi back in '05, or those nasty elitists and their ill-gotten Salvage sets who wouldn't let you join in, or those soulless forum trolls maintaining that the concept of "ethcics" in a virtual timesink is preposterous and not worth discussing. Maybe your New Year's resolutions should be to stop taking everything so damn seriously and stop vilifying people who make logical arguments, even if you personally don't agree with them. You're like the Republicans of the internet.

You can't fucking do all events within one single LS. One LS for each part of endgame has always been the way to go. Yes thoses bans had absolutely no effect on the game. 500 relic gone ? so ..? Good players banned .. so ? Salvage only requires 6 to enter..

Quoted for the person who compared me to this guy; you're clearly well into apples and oranges territory.

[Aksannyi]

You specifically made it sound like endgame was crippled, or even killed, because of the January bans. It's not the case, in many places. I'm certainly not saying that things didn't change, especially on some servers where entire linkshells were taken down (even though some servers noticed very little of a difference), but the game has been declining long before those bans, and several linkshells were lowering their standards long before those bans, as well. Again, the ban just sped up the process.

And no, not all of them are gone, no one's stupid enough to think that, although I'm sure a lot of you are stupid enough to imply that that's what I believe, hence I'm pre-empting it now.

Your most recent post sounds really pretty and all that, but your earlier posts on the subject definitely imply that the salvage bans singlehandedly killed endgame. They did not.

[Yabby]

retard

@ drwaffles

[drwaffles]

I never stated that, ever. Of course the game has been in decline for ages, no one can dispute that. Equally, no one can dispute that the removal of a large chunk of the game's most hardcore players didn't speed up the process.

[drwaffles]

retard

@ drwaffles

Shit, got me there.

P.S. look up and learn the rule for "your" and "you're" before calling my intelligence into question.

[Yabby]

Shit, got me there.

P.S. look up and learn the rule for "your" and "you're" before calling my intelligence into question.

you are a retard

[drwaffles]

Please stop, my frail ego can't take much more of your genius put-downs and razor-sharp wit.

[Yabby]

k retard.

[drwaffles]

My Republican comment seems even more accurate now than it did before.

[Aksannyi]

I don't know if you realise this, but FFXI really went to shit after the January bannings. Maybe you didn't notice it because you hang around in shit shells or something, but virtually any prominent player who isn't a retard will tell you exactly the same thing. This is coming from someone who still plays actively, not a butthurt ban-ee. And no, before you say it, I'm not saying that the only good shells are, as you would put it, "cheating" shells. High horse time is well and truly over in this day and age, save it for when FFXIV-App comes out.

Kind of looks like you're saying what we've been telling you you're saying to me.

I'm really not trying to start a huge massive argument, but how do you expect someone who didn't notice a damn thing change on their server to not question what you're saying? Yeah the game's declining, but you effectively implied that the game was ruined by the salvage bans, while also attempting to undermine the credibility of others as being in "shit shells."

Yes, I quit a few months ago, though it had very little to do with the game itself. But I was active in endgame when the bans hit and I continued to be active for several months after, and really, there was no difference at all in endgame on Hades.

Things may or may not have changed since I quit, I can't say that definitively, but as far as an immediate downturn in the quality of endgame after 1/22, I definitely did not see that happen. Again, I'm not saying that things didn't change on other servers. But again, you're making it sound like the game was irrevocably changed when all those people were banned. For many of us, our daily experience was not affected at all.

[Yabby]

You know what a Republican and you have in common? Both retards.