Mizango

[Charismatic]

Side-view real-time battles were it. You can hardly say it influenced Star Ocean because most of the design team in tri-Ace was the ToP team.

What do you mean hardly?
YOU CAN SAY IT BECAUSE OF THAT!

Star Ocean was directly influenced by Tales of Phantasia.
How can you imply that their experience on Tales of Phantasia isn't a huge part of what made Star Ocean exactly what it was? Seems silly to even think that.

[Charismatic]

And Vagrant Story was a far better action-rpg than any Tales game that came out up to that point, getting into personal opinions.

Vagrant Story... no way bro, no goddamn way.
Vagrant Story needs a lot of work on the battle system my friend.

Vagrant Story was a decent game but by no means is it that good.

[Charismatic]

That's about as direct as the shit can get.

[Charismatic]

The thought of Vagrant Story being better than Tales of Destiny... that's pretty funny.
Maybe if it didn't have multiplayer and combo command, maybe.

[Akanei]

What do you mean hardly?
YOU CAN SAY IT BECAUSE OF THAT!

Star Ocean was directly influenced by Tales of Phantasia.
How can you imply that their experience on Tales of Phantasia isn't a huge part of what made Star Ocean exactly what it was? Seems silly to even think that.

It was the same design team! SO may as well have been Tales of Phantasia 2. A dog putting on a tutu doesn't make it a cat.

[Charismatic]

It was the same design team! SO may as well have been Tales of Phantasia 2. A dog wearing a tutu is still a dog.

So... you're saying that a game that 'might as well have been Tales of Phantasia 2 was not influenced by Tales of Phantasia?
Think about how moronic that sounds.

[Akanei]

Seeing as SO came out right after the ToP team had planned to leave due to creative disputes at Namco? You're better off saying SO was a fully realized idea whereas ToP was the bastardized version Namco wanted.

Saying one influences oneself is a rather blatant paradox, in itself, anyway.

[Charismatic]

Seeing as SO came out right after the ToP team had planned to leave due to creative disputes at Namco? You're better off saying SO was a fully realized idea whereas ToP was the bastardized version Namco wanted.

Saying one influences oneself is a rather blatant paradox, in itself, anyway.

First off, this probably isn't even true.
Star Ocean isn't the 'fully realized' version of what Tales of Phantasia was to be.. you're silly as fuck for saying that because you're only making assumptions.
No one on the team has ever stated that to be true.


Secondly, there are enough differences for me to dispute Star Ocean even being a Tales of Phantasia 2 though you can clearly see the influence from Tales of Phantasia in the game (even uses some of the same tiles, etc)

[Mizango]

Well the Nigga is in a watered down version of AD what do you expect.

Nah this is back when ToS came out, I think it was 2004? I was still on Faildemonium.