Random Question Thread VI: I'm No Mathologist, But...

[Cream Soda]

Have anyone seen any good augments on daggers? Just picked up a jambiya+1 for mainhand for my dnc (since Etail I won't be able to get rly).

I know I've seen DMG+2 on hagun and even a low dmg wep like hades sainti, so was wondering if jamb+1 would be worth a go.

[Hegarty]

I'm sure all melee weapons can get the same bonuses Veg, sure it's worth a try, if you have tons to try in case of ruining it. Would Acc+5 not be better than D+2 for DNC though?

[Yugl]

Thanks captain obvious, what I asked is:

Are Myochin Kote ever THE best Penta Thrust hands for Greater Colibri with Crab Sushi?

Captain obvious wasn't talking to you fool. I was answering Khajit's uncertainty as to why berserk would affect the effectiveness of O Kote:

I said zerk since when it's up you dont need the atk from the hands +20 atk kotes as much(possibly capped atk vs the birds when zerk is up?) which means that the higher base damage from the stat mods will help penta more.

[Despain]

To be the very best!

How did anyone miss this?

[Kidnoftle]

I don't miss you.

Oh wait you meant cairs comment.

[Eole]

Thanks captain obvious, what I asked is:

Are Myochin Kote ever THE best Penta Thrust hands for Greater Colibri with Crab Sushi?

Myochin Kote +1, Virtuoso Belt, Iota Ring
Attack 506.25 Accuracy 456.52 STR 120 DEX 96
Weapon Skill Damage = 1121

Myochin Kote +1, Virtuoso Belt, Flame Ring
Attack 510 Accuracy 449.74 STR 125 DEX 93
Weapon Skill Damage = 1141

Myochin Kote +1, Warwolf Belt, Iota Ring
Attack 505 Accuracy 446.35 STR 125 DEX 101
Weapon Skill Damage = 1142

Myochin Kote +1, Warwolf Belt, Flame Ring
Attack 510 Accuracy 440.7 STR 130 DEX 98
Weapon Skill Damage = 1165

Myochin Kote +1, Saotome Koshi-Ate, Iota Ring
Attack 501.25 Accuracy 454.26 STR 120 DEX 101
Weapon Skill Damage = 1114

Myochin Kote +1, Saotome Koshi-Ate, Flame Ring
Attack 505 Accuracy 448.61 STR 125 DEX 98
Weapon Skill Damage = 1134

Ochimusha Kote, Virtuoso Belt, Iota Ring
Attack 523.75 Accuracy 449.74 STR 113 DEX 89
Weapon Skill Damage = 1143

Ochimusha Kote, Virtuoso Belt, Flame Ring
Attack 528.75 Accuracy 444.09 STR 118 DEX 86
Weapon Skill Damage = 1166

Ochimusha Kote, Warwolf Belt, Iota Ring
Attack 523.75 Accuracy 440.7 STR 118 DEX 94
Weapon Skill Damage = 1160

Ochimusha Kote, Warwolf Belt, Flame Ring
Attack 528.75 Accuracy 435.05 STR 123 DEX 91
Weapon Skill Damage = 1184

Ochimusha Kote, Saotome Koshi-Ate, Iota Ring
Attack 518.75 Accuracy 448.61 STR 113 DEX 94
Weapon Skill Damage = 1136

Ochimusha Kote, Saotome Koshi-Ate, Flame Ring
Attack 523.75 Accuracy 442.96 STR 118 DEX 91
Weapon Skill Damage = 1160

Crab Sushi, Berserk up, Hasso up, Hume Male, STR Merits.

function WeaponRank($BaseDamage) {
    return (floor($BaseDamage / 9));
}

/* Penta Thrust*/
function WSC($STR, $DEX) {
    return(floor(floor(($STR * 20 / 100) + ($DEX * 20 / 100)) * 0.83));
}

/* Colibri */
function fSTR($STR) {
    return((((75 + $STR) - 67)+4)/4);
}

/* Greater Colibri - Level 82: Defense 327, Evasion 339, VIT 67, AGI 67 */
function pDIFMax($pAttack, $mDefense, $pLevel, $mLevel) {
    $Ratio = $pAttack / $mDefense;
    //echo "Ratio : ".$Ratio." PlayerAttack: ".$pAttack."<br />";
    if ($Ratio > 0.050) {
        $cRatio = $Ratio - 0.050 * ($mLevel - $pLevel);
    } else {
        $cRatio = 0.050 - $Ratio * ($mLevel - $pLevel);
    }
    //echo "cRatio : ".$cRatio."<br />";

    if ($cRatio >= 0 && $cRatio < 0.5) {
        return (0.4 + 1.2 * $cRatio);
    } else if ($cRatio >= 0.5 && $cRatio <= 5/6) {
            return (1);
        } else if ($cRatio > 5/6 && $cRatio <= 2) {
                return (1.2 * $cRatio);
            } else {
                echo "pDIFMax Returned an Unexpected Value: ".$cRatio." <br />";
            }
}

$WSDamage = ($BaseDamage + fSTR($STR) + WSC($STR, $DEX)) * 1.1 * pDIFMax($Attack, 327, 75, 82);
            $WSDamage += ($BaseDamage + fSTR($STR) + WSC($STR, $DEX)) * 1.0 * pDIFMax($Attack, 327, 75, 82);
            $WSDamage += ($BaseDamage + fSTR($STR) + WSC($STR, $DEX)) * 1.0 * pDIFMax($Attack, 327, 75, 82);
            $WSDamage += ($BaseDamage + fSTR($STR) + WSC($STR, $DEX)) * 1.0 * pDIFMax($Attack, 327, 75, 82);
            $WSDamage += ($BaseDamage + fSTR($STR) + WSC($STR, $DEX)) * 1.0 * pDIFMax($Attack, 327, 75, 82);

[Dathus]

Friend of mine is using FFXI Calc to find out his total haste with Catastrophe, but it's not adding it into gear haste. Error on Calculator's part? Also, how much is the % added from the weaponskill itself?

[requim]

It should be adding in 102/1024 or whatever hexa business rounding it calculates 10% (9.96) as. Drks can easy cap haste with spell, SV marches, gear and DB so there's a good chance it might just be maxed already.

Caps last I heard were gear 25 (24.51), magic 44 (43.75), and JA for 25% (25) with it maxing at 80%.

Hasso + marches + spell + 20% gear puts you at like 65%, cata would be like 75%. Or replace hasso cata with 5/5 DB and you're at cap for zerg. Or add another ~10% from SV march and drop half your haste gear.

[Kirschy]

Friend of mine is using FFXI Calc to find out his total haste with Catastrophe, but it's not adding it into gear haste. Error on Calculator's part? Also, how much is the % added from the weaponskill itself?

Like Requim said, Cata is 102/1024 gear haste. Not sure why FFXI calc doesn't solve it that way~

[Hegarty]

Myochin Kote +1, Virtuoso Belt, Iota Ring
Attack 506.25 Accuracy 456.52 STR 120 DEX 96
Weapon Skill Damage = 1121

Myochin Kote +1, Virtuoso Belt, Flame Ring
Attack 510 Accuracy 449.74 STR 125 DEX 93
Weapon Skill Damage = 1141

Myochin Kote +1, Warwolf Belt, Iota Ring
Attack 505 Accuracy 446.35 STR 125 DEX 101
Weapon Skill Damage = 1142

Myochin Kote +1, Warwolf Belt, Flame Ring
Attack 510 Accuracy 440.7 STR 130 DEX 98
Weapon Skill Damage = 1165

Myochin Kote +1, Saotome Koshi-Ate, Iota Ring
Attack 501.25 Accuracy 454.26 STR 120 DEX 101
Weapon Skill Damage = 1114

Myochin Kote +1, Saotome Koshi-Ate, Flame Ring
Attack 505 Accuracy 448.61 STR 125 DEX 98
Weapon Skill Damage = 1134

Ochimusha Kote, Virtuoso Belt, Iota Ring
Attack 523.75 Accuracy 449.74 STR 113 DEX 89
Weapon Skill Damage = 1143

Ochimusha Kote, Virtuoso Belt, Flame Ring
Attack 528.75 Accuracy 444.09 STR 118 DEX 86
Weapon Skill Damage = 1166

Ochimusha Kote, Warwolf Belt, Iota Ring
Attack 523.75 Accuracy 440.7 STR 118 DEX 94
Weapon Skill Damage = 1160

Ochimusha Kote, Warwolf Belt, Flame Ring
Attack 528.75 Accuracy 435.05 STR 123 DEX 91
Weapon Skill Damage = 1184

Ochimusha Kote, Saotome Koshi-Ate, Iota Ring
Attack 518.75 Accuracy 448.61 STR 113 DEX 94
Weapon Skill Damage = 1136

Ochimusha Kote, Saotome Koshi-Ate, Flame Ring
Attack 523.75 Accuracy 442.96 STR 118 DEX 91
Weapon Skill Damage = 1160

Crab Sushi, Berserk up, Hasso up, Hume Male, STR Merits.

Using what other gear? I'm Elvaan with no Polearm, no STR merits.

[Eole]

With more equipments in my script, here's the winner :

• Base Set :
  Tiphia
  Champion's Galea (acc atk str wscc)
  Shadow Gorget
  Fowling Earring
  Brutal Earring
  Rajas Ring
  Usukane Sune-Ate

• Competing Gears :
  Haubergeon +1
  Byrnie +1
  
  Byakko's Haidate
  Usukane Hizayoroi
  Hachiryu Haidate
  
  Forager's Mantle
  Charger Mantle
  
  Myochin Kote +1
  Ochimusha Kote
  Alkyoneus's Bracelets
  
  Virtuoso Belt
  Warwolf Belt
  Swordbelt +1
  Cuchulchain Belt
  
  Iota Ring
  Flame Ring
  Divisor Ring

Ochimusha Kote, Cuchulchain Belt, Flame Ring, Charger Mantle, Byrnie +1, Hachiryu Haidate
Attack 561.25 Accuracy 414.71 STR 110 DEX 81
Weapon Skill Damage = 1225

Please remember I did this script on my own so It's not said that there are no mistakes.
This is with Crab Sushi, Hasso, Berserk, STR Merits, 256 Polearm Skill on a Hume
+ Bandomusha Kote
+ Merman's Earring
+ Black Tathlum
= More Win.

[requim]

Penta is 20% str 20% dex. For most things it's really "45%" str from fstr

Assuming you have capped accuracy you'll always lean towards str (no real surprise for your str vs dex pieces).

Also I really have no faith in a charger mantle for a two hander, Forager's is only 2.75 attack less, but a 75% chance for an fstr (also a wsc for penta). If it upper either fstr or wsc damage it should win, though I guess there are situations where someone falls within the cracks. Augment your forager's for anything DD related and it will win 100% of the time (which you can get like 3-4 forager's for the price of charger).

[Argettio]

Penta is 20% str 20% dex. For most things it's really "45%" str from fstr

Assuming you have capped accuracy you'll always lean towards str (no real surprise for your str vs dex pieces).

Also I really have no faith in a charger mantle for a two hander, Forager's is only 2.75 attack less, but a 75% chance for an fstr (also a wsc for penta). If it upper either fstr or wsc damage it should win, though I guess there are situations where someone falls within the cracks. Augment your forager's for anything DD related and it will win 100% of the time (which you can get like 3-4 forager's for the price of charger).

WSC = ((STR*0.2)+(DEX*0.2))*0.83

So you approximate how much STR is needed to give 1 WSC by cutting the DEX term and rearranging:
(1/0.2)/0.83 = 6.02 STR = 1 WSC

So
* AF+1 is just roughly 2 WSC (1 from the STR and 1 from the DEX) and 1.6 fSTR (if you like averaging)
* Foragers is half a WSC and some times 1 fSTR

As for O.Kotes:
Lets assume 450 average attack (not to sure on this assumption, but lets run with it)

450/327 = 1.37 ratio (Foragers and AF+1)
465/327 = 1.422 ratio (Foragers and kotes)

So that's 3.6% increase in ratio verses 2 WSC and 1 fSTR.

I think I would go with the O.kotes personally.

[requim]

iirc wsc 10 str = 19 str = 1 str 19 dex
ignoring fstr you need increments of 10 or it rounds down, it may sum str and dex before rounding down or some values may round up

rounding ruins math in ffxi often

[Argettio]

iirc wsc 10 str = 19 str = 1 str 19 dex
ignoring fstr you need increments of 10 or it rounds down, it may sum str and dex before rounding down or some values may round up

rounding ruins math in ffxi often

You don't need increments of 10, you need enough STR to get 1 more WSC after flooring.

Floor(((6*0.2)*0.83))= 0

You need above 6 (ie 7) STR to get 1 WSC on Penta.

For a 25% mod WS (guillotine for example) you only need 5 STR to make 1 WSC.

on a 60% mod WS you only need 1 STR to make 1 WSC.

[FailureMidgard]

Penta is 20% str 20% dex. For most things it's really "45%" str from fstr

Just wanted to nitpick, your 45% thing is off, if you want to compare it to other mods and such, it'd actually be 20 + 25/.83 = ~50.1% str. So it's equivalent to a 50% STR mod.

[Dakana]

Will an Affinity Earring activate if I'm wearing it as a PUP or do I need another PUP in the party to make it work?

~Thanks

[Nightfyre]

Is HP+% gear/food calculated including straight HP+ bonuses from gear or just your native HP pool?

EDIT: I may not have said that clearly enough. As an example, if I have 1200 HP natively but 1500 with gear and I add an HP+3% item/food, does it give me an additional 36 or 45 HP?

[Greg]

Will an Affinity Earring activate if I'm wearing it as a PUP or do I need another PUP in the party to make it work?

~Thanks

You need another pup in the pt.

[Rainewaters]

Saw a cursed coat -1 in rollenmall for 15mil. HQ is +11macc and -5 emnity, and nq is +10macc and -4emnity. NQ is about 50k. Is it worth the whitebox?