Random Question Thread VI: I'm No Mathologist, But...

[Thorny]

aegis and augmented fire gear are probably required, if you want a ring bring 4 people
if you want epeen, gear it up

[FailureMidgard]

Well, sure, you could have water erode earth or wind extinguish fire or something like that, but most of the existing roles are fairly well-established in everyday life.

Right, 'cause wind blowing out fire is not well-established in every day life. When you go outside to cook on a grill, you're only concerned with rain right? Also, when I think of Erosion, I don't think of wind way before water or ice. I'd go far as to say wind is actually a lesser cause of erosion than water.

Electricity is bad for things in the water.

Lightning hitting water will disperse it across the surface. If you are under water, you are generally safe. Granted, the lightning disperses in a much larger radius, but the -exact same thing- happens on ground, which is why you're actually not supposed to lie down in a thunderstorm when you're scared of lightning; if it hits anything near to you, instead of the lightning just shocking you at your feet or something, it's right by your heart/etc. The ground does a very poor job at "grounding" lightning.

Heat melts ice.

But cold does nothing to fire right? And heat doesn't evaporate water right? I'm sure none of us see fire/heat evaporating water on a daily basis.

Grounding a object prevents unwanted shocks.

See above, not true in the least. And water still grounds electricity too.

Put out a fire by throwing water on it.

Or throwing soil over it. Or a forceful enough breeze (though gentle blowing obviously strengthens fire). If you have candles on a table for a nice dinner, and you need to put them out after, I guarantee you are you not using water to put it out. Highly doubt you are putting out a fire in a fireplace with water either.

Rocks are worn away by the wind.

Actually, most erosion caused by wind is the result of solid objects being thrown into rocks. 2 rocks collide, and something chips off. Water (via rain or rivers) causes more erosion as far as I know, and furthermore, when water gets in cracks in rocks, then freezes, that causes even more destruction (though obviously only happens in colder climates). Of all of them, this is probably the worst.

Most of their choices are completely intuitive and (quite obviously) the most logical ascendant/descendant choice of the bunch. It's only the ice/wind relationship that's essentially a hack to close the circle.

I disagree, I think that SE just kinda made up an order that they felt "worked", then players, without any use of intuition decided to come up with a memory device that worked for them. It makes as much sense as saying:

Fire evaporates water.
Water disperses lightning.
Lightning electrifies earth.
Earth blocks wind.
Wind erodes ice.
Ice dampens fire.

See what I did there? I could make some sort of semi-almost logical connection between any 2 elements in either direction. Someone came up with a memory device and people use it; there is no intuition or logic behind it.

[Marcicus]

Anyone else been able to not blacklist the RMTs as of late? I keep getting the failed to add to blacklist line. :/

[Aero]

Anyone else been able to not blacklist the RMTs as of late? I keep getting the failed to add to blacklist line. :/

Your blacklist is probably full.

[Sylvrdragon]

Anyone else been able to not blacklist the RMTs as of late? I keep getting the failed to add to blacklist line. :/

I'll start with the obvious question: Is your blacklist full? It can only hold 175 names. If you've been blacklisting every RMT that sends you a /tell (which is pointless, cause you almost never get 2 from the same name), then I imagine that it would fill up quite quickly.

[Saithorx]

Anyone else been able to not blacklist the RMTs as of late? I keep getting the failed to add to blacklist line. :/

Was your text area maximized where it covers the whole game screen?

[Pikarya]

What is the maximum amount of HP Chakra can restore in game currently (taking into account full HQ gear/etc.). Currently doing 396 with an unfinished (85% done) set.

edit: had to fix how much it was really curing for >.> (I was level synced derp)

[ZhiGaruda]

Right, 'cause wind blowing out fire is not well-established in every day life. When you go outside to cook on a grill, you're only concerned with rain right? Also, when I think of Erosion, I don't think of wind way before water or ice. I'd go far as to say wind is actually a lesser cause of erosion than water.



Lightning hitting water will disperse it across the surface. If you are under water, you are generally safe. Granted, the lightning disperses in a much larger radius, but the -exact same thing- happens on ground, which is why you're actually not supposed to lie down in a thunderstorm when you're scared of lightning; if it hits anything near to you, instead of the lightning just shocking you at your feet or something, it's right by your heart/etc. The ground does a very poor job at "grounding" lightning.



But cold does nothing to fire right? And heat doesn't evaporate water right? I'm sure none of us see fire/heat evaporating water on a daily basis.



See above, not true in the least. And water still grounds electricity too.



Or throwing soil over it. Or a forceful enough breeze (though gentle blowing obviously strengthens fire). If you have candles on a table for a nice dinner, and you need to put them out after, I guarantee you are you not using water to put it out. Highly doubt you are putting out a fire in a fireplace with water either.



Actually, most erosion caused by wind is the result of solid objects being thrown into rocks. 2 rocks collide, and something chips off. Water (via rain or rivers) causes more erosion as far as I know, and furthermore, when water gets in cracks in rocks, then freezes, that causes even more destruction (though obviously only happens in colder climates). Of all of them, this is probably the worst.



I disagree, I think that SE just kinda made up an order that they felt "worked", then players, without any use of intuition decided to come up with a memory device that worked for them. It makes as much sense as saying:

Fire evaporates water.
Water disperses lightning.
Lightning electrifies earth.
Earth blocks wind.
Wind erodes ice.
Ice dampens fire.

See what I did there? I could make some sort of semi-almost logical connection between any 2 elements in either direction. Someone came up with a memory device and people use it; there is no intuition or logic behind it.

You are thinking far to literally, and being kind of stupid.

Consider all of these in (as far as you can imagine) equal parts.

Fire and water collide. The water puts out the fire. The fire might, in the process, cause some of it to boil and therefore evaporate. By no means is this a defeat of the water in full.

Wind and rock collide. The rock does nothing to the wind, the wind may cause damage to the rock. Wtf is this blocking shit?

Lightning and earth collide. The lightning causes no harm to the earth, the earth disperses (defeats) the lightning.

Ice and fire collide. The ice is immediately melted, the fire is unhampered.

See where I'm going with this? It needs to be looked at as the two attacking each other, not just one being tossed onto the other.

[Argettio]

In all honesty, do rankups.

I am Captain rank, and most of my salvage group have high ranks, but at times it can be difficult to find people with RvB access (salvage people aren't online or have already used their tags), so I wanted to know which of the lower ones are good for a few points when the need arises.

[mdkuser]

for quick AP on my mule I did the rank 1 golden salvage. Lots of people think only summoners can do it for some reason. All you need is a job with range attack. One char aggro a chest, the other range attack it from 21'+ range and it depops. its the "best" until the one with chigoes I think ( rank 3).

[Spider-Dan]

Right, 'cause wind blowing out fire is not well-established in every day life. When you go outside to cook on a grill, you're only concerned with rain right?

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You're joking, right?

Take a survey of random people. Ask them which of the following is most commonly used to extinguish fires:

1) rocks/dirt
2) wind
3) ice/snow
4) lightning
5) water

You're telling me that #1, 2, or 3 is going to be anywhere remotely close to #5 in number of responses? Do you live in a world where firefighters have giant hoses that spray sand?

The argument is not over whether or not ice is a poor conductor of electricity, or whether matter can exist in a gaseous form at absolute zero. You don't see warnings advising you that operating a TV near a sandbox (as opposed to a bathtub or pool) is potentially fatal. I'm talking strictly about well-known "elemental" conventions.

When you start your argument by categorizing "water beats fire" as a crazy, completely arbitrary hierarchy, you have clearly abandoned all sense of intellectual honesty.

[Fottiti]

Next up on BG: Debating whether its acceptable to say the sky is blue.

[Dooom]

Next up on BG: Debating whether its acceptable to say the sky is blue.

It's obviously purple.

[Cream Soda]

What is the maximum amount of HP Chakra can restore in game currently (taking into account full HQ gear/etc.). Currently doing 252 with an unfinished (85% done) set.

Well do you want max max max, or max viable? Cause there's stuff like shadow mantle on darksday, that potion that temp gives you +vit, vit songs, ect, can also put in terra staff and lose your tp, ppl who are dumb enough to merit vit, you see where I'm going w/ this.


http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=55564

As hume mnk/nin, this build nets me 486, more on darksday, of course.

[Pikarya]

Well do you want max max max, or max viable? Cause there's stuff like shadow mantle on darksday, that potion that temp gives you +vit, vit songs, ect, can also put in terra staff and lose your tp, ppl who are dumb enough to merit vit, you see where I'm going w/ this.


http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=55564

As hume mnk/nin, this build nets me 486, more on darksday, of course.

Yeah I should of mentioned "max viable". Since I'm mainly looking for max numbers possible for the everyday "exp/solo" etc.

Anyways thanks, good to know 500HP is around the measure.

[Kyte]

Lightning hitting water will disperse it across the surface. If you are under water, you are generally safe. Granted, the lightning disperses in a much larger radius, but the -exact same thing- happens on ground, which is why you're actually not supposed to lie down in a thunderstorm when you're scared of lightning; if it hits anything near to you, instead of the lightning just shocking you at your feet or something, it's right by your heart/etc. The ground does a very poor job at "grounding" lightning.

Tell that to the thousands of fish that die from lightning strikes.

[cdgreg]

Has anyone been able to join a linkshell community via the http://fanzone.playonline.com/ LS community? Everytime I login and "accept" the disclaimer agreement and click submit I get this screen. I've been trying for about a week now, it's frustrating. I allowed the site through no script and cringe at the thought of trying IE if that would make a difference. I keep getting this error:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/596...unityerror.jpg

[Bakthi]

That generally means your character profile (or maybe LS profile) has randomly broken; apparently it's some kind of extremely poorly worded 404. This happened to the profiles of several people in my LS, including mine. That page showed up whenever one tried to access those profile pages, logged in or not. I sent them a message, and around two weeks later, mine started working (as did those of some, but not all, of the previously affected people). Maybe sending them a message does something. Using IE does not make a difference.

[pchan]

Right, 'cause wind blowing out fire is not well-established in every day life. .

From a firefighter point of view, wind will not blow out a fire, like in a forest, it's actually the other way around.

[FailureMidgard]

You're joking, right?

Take a survey of random people. Ask them which of the following is most commonly used to extinguish fires:

1) rocks/dirt
2) wind
3) ice/snow
4) lightning
5) water

You're telling me that #1, 2, or 3 is going to be anywhere remotely close to #5 in number of responses? Do you live in a world where firefighters have giant hoses that spray sand?

The argument is not over whether or not ice is a poor conductor of electricity, or whether matter can exist in a gaseous form at absolute zero. You don't see warnings advising you that operating a TV near a sandbox (as opposed to a bathtub or pool) is potentially fatal. I'm talking strictly about well-known "elemental" conventions.

When you start your argument by categorizing "water beats fire" as a crazy, completely arbitrary hierarchy, you have clearly abandoned all sense of intellectual honesty.

Wow, you completely missed the point, and picked the 1 thing that is the easiest to fit, grats. Wind is a lesser force of erosion than water or ice. But lets change your survey, and ask people when they light a match, if they use earth, water, ice, lightning or air to put out the match when they are done. Do you think it's going to be the same respone? Hell, ask someone who lives in a snowy climate what they put a camp fire out with, it's going to be snow (which I'd relate closer to ice), not water.

Yes, some of them do make sense. Water puts out fire, I'm not saying it doesn't, I'm saying the overall way to remember it is arbitrary, because fire still boils water. My entire point is that you are ignoring a vast number of "well known" things, and using things that aren't even well known or the most correct (air eroding earth).

Tell that to the thousands of fish that die from lightning strikes.

Right after you tell the worms that die to lightning strikes when it hits the earth.