Random Question Thread VI: I'm No Mathologist, But...

[FailureMidgard]

You are thinking far to literally, and being kind of stupid.

Consider all of these in (as far as you can imagine) equal parts.

Fire and water collide. The water puts out the fire. The fire might, in the process, cause some of it to boil and therefore evaporate. By no means is this a defeat of the water in full.

Wind and rock collide. The rock does nothing to the wind, the wind may cause damage to the rock. Wtf is this blocking shit?

Lightning and earth collide. The lightning causes no harm to the earth, the earth disperses (defeats) the lightning.

Ice and fire collide. The ice is immediately melted, the fire is unhampered.

See where I'm going with this? It needs to be looked at as the two attacking each other, not just one being tossed onto the other.

Ok, so if I toss snow on a fire, you're telling me it will instantly melt the snow, and the fire will be unhampered? You live in a different world than I.
Your lighting and earth thing, I already said. Yes, earth disperses it, and electrifies anything touching the ground in a decently large radius. The -exact- same thing happens in water. The 2 collide, lightning disperses, electrifies things nearby, and then is gone. Lightning is a fleeting thing, I guess by your logic every element should be strong vs lightning.
Wind and Ice collide, please tell me what happens? The exact same thing as wind and earth.

From a firefighter point of view, wind will not blow out a fire, like in a forest, it's actually the other way around.

You fail at reading, I even acknowledged this. My point is that most relationships (including air and fire) are 2 ways, not 1 way.

[Ladydeathstrike]

Fires generally need 3 things
1 fuel
2 oxygen
3 sufficient heat

remove one no fire
enough water puts out firesbecause it can blanket the fire cut supply to/displaces oxygen
wind can put out smaller fires because it can remove heat faster than the fire can generate

[Shinryuu]

It's obviously purple.

Purple Rain beats Greased Lightning?!

[Yugl]

I'm using the same account, but on a new system (PS3 still, but formatted!). Do I need the registration codes for each FFXI disk? I have the disks for all of them, but I'm missing the code for CoP.

[Shinryuu]

Dude Pokémon had multiple outcomes, it's way more realistic. Dragon beats dragon!

[Marcicus]

I'll start with the obvious question: Is your blacklist full? It can only hold 175 names. If you've been blacklisting every RMT that sends you a /tell (which is pointless, cause you almost never get 2 from the same name), then I imagine that it would fill up quite quickly.

Sorry this took me a while to respond to, but no my blacklist is nowhere near full; I don't even think I have 10 people on it. I'm not the only person who's been unable to blacklist the RMTs--sometimes when I try to type in their names (correctly spelled before you ask), I either get nothing or failed to add.

[evilpaul]

Why's Tuna Sushi crazy expensive all the sudden?

[Kang]

I've been having problems with windower lately. It keeps shutting down POL on me. Usually, if I waited a couple of minutes it would work but now it happens every time I log on (about 5 seconds in).

I had this problem before and a friend suggested I change distance in script (he said this would fix it and that it was caused by an update). But now I have no clue what to change in script to make it work. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

[Wolfknight]

Dude Pokémon had multiple outcomes, it's way more realistic. Dragon beats dragon!

So then logically dragoon's wyverns, and blue mages using Radiant Breath, and/or body slam should be the best DD on fafhogg, or tiamat right?

[Kyte]

Right after you tell the worms that die to lightning strikes when it hits the earth.

Right after you tell said worms that they aren't mostly made of water. Not to mention that the radius that is electrified is waaaaaaaaay smaller.

Wind is a lesser force of erosion than water or ice.

You are right about this one though >_>;


The only reasoning I can think of for Ice>wind is that absolute zero would stop molecular movement in a local area. But that is of course a stretch xD

[Cream Soda]

Sam/war vs sam/drg on GKT when you can get 23% haste before earring (and let's say pizza+1, so capping acc on both)

[Spider-Dan]

Wow, you completely missed the point, and picked the 1 thing that is the easiest to fit, grats.

I picked the one thing that's easiest to fit because explaining the other easy ones was simply redundant.

1. If I have a barrier of ice that I want to penetrate, am I going to:

a) cover it with dirt
b) blow air on it with giant fans
c) run a current through it
d) spray it with water
e) melt it with fire or another heat source

By your logic, this is an agonizing decision.

2. If someone tells me that I have to:

a) sit in a desert, in sand, 30 feet from a lightning strike
b) sit in a long shallow pool, in water, 30 feet from a lightning strike

According to you, people are just as likely to pick a) as b).

You cannot claim that these decisions are difficult with any sort of intellectual honesty.

But lets change your survey, and ask people when they light a match, if they use earth, water, ice, lightning or air to put out the match when they are done.

Oh, you can put out the match with damn near any of the above (dirt certainly works, too). But ask them which will be most effective, and I think you know what the answer will be.

In fact, "wind beats fire" is an incredibly bad example to pick because wind (in the sense of actual wind, not just air or someone's breath) tends to spread fires in real life. When there's a huge fire and it's dry and windy, fire grows. When it's wet and rainy, not so much.

Yes, some of them do make sense. Water puts out fire, I'm not saying it doesn't, I'm saying the overall way to remember it is arbitrary, because fire still boils water.

Again, if you think that "which wins: water or fire?" is a difficult, expansive question, you shouldn't be responding because you are drastically overthinking the problem.

[TybudX]

What. The. Fuck.

[Cleverness]

What stops the chat log spam from BP macros? Assumed Silence plugin did but apparently not.

<.<

[Yugl]

I cannot believe people are arguing over the merits of one element beating another element instead of answering my question. What the fuck.

[NynJa]

wow at this elemental circle thing...what happened to its a fantasy game?

in regards to the ice/wind thing, consider the element/stat association. Do you feel very mobile in the cold?

[FailureMidgard]

Right after you tell said worms that they aren't mostly made of water. Not to mention that the radius that is electrified is waaaaaaaaay smaller.



You are right about this one though >_>;


The only reasoning I can think of for Ice>wind is that absolute zero would stop molecular movement in local area. But that is of course a stretch xD

What does the composition of the worms have to do with anything? If earth were strong vs thunder, and this were supposed to be a logical connection, then shouldn't the worms be safe in the earth?

I picked the one thing that's easiest to fit because explaining the other easy ones was simply redundant.

1. If I have a barrier of ice that I want to penetrate, am I going to:

a) cover it with dirt
b) blow air on it with giant fans
c) run a current through it
d) spray it with water
e) melt it with fire or another heat source

By your logic, this is an agonizing decision.

If I have a mountain of snow, and I want to get someone out from underneath it, am I going to:
a) cover it with dirt
b) blow air on it
c) run electricity through it
d) spray it with water
e) try to melt it with fire or another heat source

I am not saying that none of the fucking things have a logical connection. I am saying that the entire concept as a whole, has no logical flow. YOU STILL CAN'T READ to comprehend this. I am talking as a whole, there are serious with flaws with this idea. Some parts are stronger than other. Fire vs Ice is one of the stronger ones, but even so....

If I have a fire, and it's 0 degrees F outside, and I want to put out the fire, am I going to try to use water, snow, wind, earth, or lightning. I'm going to go with snow or earth, not water.

2. If someone tells me that I have to:

a) sit in a desert, in sand, 30 feet from a lightning strike
b) sit in a long shallow pool, in water, 30 feet from a lightning strike

According to you, people are just as likely to pick a) as b).

Clearly, let's make it a long shallow pool. In any case, if you knew to read, you'd see I never once said what you claim. My point is if you are lying on the ground 30 feet from a lightning strike YOU ARE DEAD. There is no comparison to water, you are going to have the current running through your body, frying your lungs. Furthermore, water DOES "ground" lightning. This is a fact, there is no debating it, it disperses across the surface. It makes absolutely no logical sense that earth is strong vs lightning and water is weak vs it. In both cases of a clash, as someone said, lightning loses. In both cases however, an object touching the surface in the vicinity will get fried. Yes, water and earth are different substances. Past all that, why a shallow pool?

You cannot claim that these decisions are difficult with any sort of intellectual honesty.

Oh ya, if you were in the desert and wanted to put out a fire, would you use water or earth? You can't tell me that decision is difficult with any sort of intellectual honesty.

In fact, "wind beats fire" is an incredibly bad example to pick because wind (in the sense of actual wind, not just air or someone's breath) tends to spread fires in real life. When there's a huge fire and it's dry and windy, fire grows. When it's wet and rainy, not so much.

I acknowledged this, but right now you're saying what, Fire is strong vs wind? I think you're proving my point here. My point is, if you give me almost any ordering of elements, I can make something that vaguely makes sense (at least as much sense as the current one makes).

Again, if you think that "which wins: water or fire?" is a difficult, expansive question, you shouldn't be responding because you are drastically overthinking the problem.

If you focus harder enough on fire, all the other comparisons will go away, I promise.


Edit:
Sounds to me like you think water should be strongest vs fire, earth should be strong vs fire, snow can sometimes be strong vs fire, fire can sometimes be strong vs ice, fire is always strong vs wind, and fire and lightning don't interact. Does that sound about right? The elemental wheel doesn't really work that way, but I'll agree with that statement.

[Kyte]

What does the composition of the worms have to do with anything? If earth were strong vs thunder, and this were supposed to be a logical connection, then shouldn't the worms be safe in the earth?

Part of the reason why electricity tends to seek living organisms is that they contain electrolytes and are thus easier to pass through.

The worms would be more vulnerable if the soil was moist with water. The fact is, the ground is better than anything else (that's natural) at, well, grounding electricity and preventing it from electrocuting an organism.

Do you have kids, or a young relative? I want you to choose where you want them during a storm

1) In your basement
2) In a fucking pool


Now, in FFXI generally what elemental weaknesses are is what gets resisted the least. A crab doesn't necessarily take extra damage (beyond the higher base damage) from thunder as opposed to fire. All the elemental "circle" needs to do is compare what is best for fighting XXX element monster.

[FailureMidgard]

Part of the reason why electricity tends to seek living organisms is that they contain electrolytes and are thus easier to pass through.

The worms would be more vulnerable if the soil was moist with water. The fact is, the ground is better than anything else at, well, grounding electricity and preventing it from electrocuting an organism.

Do you have kids, or a young relative? I want you to choose where you want them during a storm

1) In your basement
2) In a fucking pool


Now, in FFXI generally what elemental weaknesses are is what gets resisted the least. A crab doesn't necessarily take extra damage (beyond the higher base damage) from thunder as opposed to fire. All the elemental "circle" needs to do is compare what is best for fighting XXX element monster.

If the pool were distilled water, we could go with that. I guess we should compromise and say lightning is strong vs things that are based on 2 or more elements? ;p

But why would you compare those 2 really? How about this, would you rather have your kid in your basement when lightning strikes nearby, while lying on the floor, or hovering 3 feet off the ground inside your basement? I'd go with the latter, so, perhaps wind should be strong vs lightning?

Alternatively, would you rather have your kid buried in the dirt when lightning strikes 5 feet away, or 30 feet underwater when lightning strikes right next to the pool? I'd actually choose the pool there. Though really, both are awful, which again, goes back to my point, I'm not saying I'd jump in a pool with lightning out, I'm saying there's no way in hell it makes logical sense for earth to be strong vs lightning.

[NynJa]

Now, in FFXI generally what elemental weaknesses are is what gets resisted the least. A crab doesn't necessarily take extra damage (beyond the higher base damage) from thunder as opposed to fire. All the elemental "circle" needs to do is compare what is best for fighting XXX element monster.

Which makes elemental resistances an utter fail