Random Question Thread VI: I'm No Mathologist, But...

[Kyte]

But why would you compare those 2 really? How about this, would you rather have your kid in your basement when lightning strikes nearby, while lying on the floor, or hovering 3 feet off the ground inside your basement? I'd go with the latter, so, perhaps wind should be strong vs lightning?

I'd rather have him laying on the ground. If he were hovering, that'd mean he'd be a witch and I would have the burn him.

[FailureMidgard]

I'd rather have him laying on the ground. If he were hovering, that'd mean he'd be a witch and I would have the burn him.

Can I add this to early discussions to conclude that Fire is indeed strong vs air? Witches=Air, Fire is strong vs witches, thus Fire is strong vs air.

[Kyte]

Maybe I'll cryogenicly freeze him instead until the demons can be removed from his soul.

[tsaroth816]

Send all this real life elemental relations into Mythbusters, and be done with it here

[Yugl]

Randomest Question Thread VII: Solving your pokemon and lightning problems

[Cairthenn]

Earth is strong versus lightning because if you throw a rock at a light bulb it will break. Case closed.

[The_OG_Nelta]

So /bg/ help me out.

Logged on to this, today.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ntitled-29.jpg

Never hacked/botted/rmt'd on this account.

Any idea?

[Khajit]

On this account? Is it possible they're banning it for stuff you've done on other ones?

[stewie]

So /bg/ help me out.

Logged on to this, today.


Never hacked/botted/rmt'd on this account.

Any idea?

Well the article says:
The PlayOnline account in question was temporarily suspended by SQUARE ENIX for the following reason:
- The account is currently in the process of account recovery or game data recovery due to unauthorized access by a third party

If you wish to remove the temporary suspension, please select the “Additional Assistance” button located at the bottom of this KB article. Fill out all of the required fields on the screen, and select the “Next” button to contact the SQUARE ENIX Support Center.
http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...=447&kid=52808

[The_OG_Nelta]

I didn't file for account recovery or anything @_@
to make it clear i guess, i've never botted rmt'd or hacked on any account. lol
Only other account i have is a crafting mule.

[lolwut]

Did you buy it? Because from that link it looks like someone's saying it's theirs.

As for advice, call them. They're amazingly useless, but if someone's trying to rob you, you're better off being proactive.

[The_OG_Nelta]

interesting, i'll deal with this on monday @_@

[TacoTaru]

lol6yearoldNMs

What's the smallest number of people and jobs needed to kill for Rostrum Pumps?

[Aurara]

manaburning xarc is pretty inefficient compared to melee setup right?
Edit: assuming just farming and you have 12 people

[Cairthenn]

lol6yearoldNMs

What's the smallest number of people and jobs needed to kill for Rostrum Pumps?

As far as I know, RDM/NIN can solo.

[Spider-Dan]

I am not saying that none of the fucking things have a logical connection. I am saying that the entire concept as a whole, has no logical flow.

So in other words, there should be no elemental wheel.

What a useful and relevant point you are making.

My point is if you are lying on the ground 30 feet from a lightning strike YOU ARE DEAD.

What purpose do lightning rods serve in your world? I can't imagine any.

Furthermore, water DOES "ground" lightning. This is a fact, there is no debating it, it disperses across the surface.

Dear Dr. Hawking: any conductive material (e.g. water) that is in contact with the earth will "ground" lightning. Do you need me to explain why?

Oh ya, if you were in the desert and wanted to put out a fire, would you use water or earth? You can't tell me that decision is difficult with any sort of intellectual honesty.

So, to combat claims of intellectual dishonesty, you cite an example where water's value would be extremely inflated compared to normal (for reasons totally unrelated to fire suppression).

Well played.

If you focus harder enough on fire, all the other comparisons will go away, I promise.

It's funny, because you keep saying "ok, I admit, water beats fire" but then you feel a compulsive need to follow that with "(but it really doesn't)".

As long as you continue to argue in favor of absurd rationalizations like "fire boils water," I will continue to stick to that point. If you cannot completely, wholeheartedly agree that water beats fire then there's literally no point in continuing. That's the worst "matchup" in the entire wheel.

Sounds to me like you think water should be strongest vs fire, earth should be strong vs fire, snow can sometimes be strong vs fire, fire can sometimes be strong vs ice, fire is always strong vs wind, and fire and lightning don't interact. Does that sound about right?

No, I think that if you have to pick an element most reasonably strong against fire, water is clearly the best choice. You seem to think that it's completely arbitrary and unknowable.

In fact, if you have those six elements, and you have to pick an order of ascension, the existing order (with the exception of ice > wind) is the best solution by far. Many other people have expressed a similar confusion about the ice > wind rationale, but you're the only one I've ever heard that's unable to understand why electricity is bad for things that are in water.

[FailureMidgard]

So in other words, there should be no elemental wheel.

What a useful and relevant point you are making.

Or, more accurately, you shouldn't try to compare real world logic to it.

Dear Dr. Hawking: any conductive material (e.g. water) that is in contact with the earth will "ground" lightning. Do you need me to explain why?

Clearly when lightning strikes in the middle of the ocean, the reason it's grounded is because somewhere, it is touching the land right? Oh wait, no, that's not correct. In fact, said electrical current never reaches any sort of land. Furthermore, if you want to be technical, water is not conductive, it is an insulator. Impurities in water turn the mixture into a conductor. Since we're trying to be retarded and apply real world shit to this game, I'm sure whenever a black mage casts a water spell, it's full of salt, minerals, and other impurities.

So, to combat claims of intellectual dishonesty, you cite an example where water's value would be extremely inflated compared to normal (for reasons totally unrelated to fire suppression).

Well played.

'cause your examples (specifically stating a long shallow pool of water) were not in any way shape or form biased? Oh wait, they were. You put out fires by denying them Oxygen. It's a pretty standard practice.

It's funny, because you keep saying "ok, I admit, water beats fire" but then you feel a compulsive need to follow that with "(but it really doesn't)".

It's almost like that's my entire argument, maybe in one of these posts you'll get it? I'm not saying water doesn't put out fire, I'm saying so do at least 3 other "elements", I'm saying situationally fire "beats" water, and of all things, fire should be strong vs air and isn't. I'm saying trying to apply logic to this is stupid because logically the wheel doesn't make sense. It only makes sense so far as if you ignore everything else, you can put 1 logical tag on the order. And as I said, if you give me almost any other order, I can give a similar flow, where in some situations, it makes sense.

As long as you continue to argue in favor of absurd rationalizations like "fire boils water," I will continue to stick to that point. If you cannot completely, wholeheartedly agree that water beats fire then there's literally no point in continuing. That's the worst "matchup" in the entire wheel.

I agree that if I had to do a best fit, water would beat fire. But again, earth would beat fire too. Fire would beat air. Can you still not grasp this? In no way are earth and fire neutral to each other.

No, I think that if you have to pick an element most reasonably strong against fire, water is clearly the best choice. You seem to think that it's completely arbitrary and unknowable.

If I had to pick 1 element that earth is most reasonably strong against, it would also be fire, not lightning. Earth does not fucking harmlessly ground electricity, at all. Go read about it, if you lie down in a ditch, and lightning strikes within 100 ft, you are going to die, or be severely hospitalized. Earth is stronger against fire than it is against lightning.

Furthermore, if we want to get into the whole hypothetical situation thing, lets say a forest is burning, would you rather be underground in a cellar, or in a long shallow pool of water in the middle of burning trees? What is that, you'd rather be underground? Odd, since water is the end all be all anti-fire. Anyway, have fun boiling to death.

In fact, if you have those six elements, and you have to pick an order of ascension, the existing order (with the exception of ice > wind) is the best solution by far. Many other people have expressed a similar confusion about the ice > wind rationale, but you're the only one I've ever heard that's unable to understand why electricity is bad for things that are in water.

I fully understand that electricity is bad for things in water, when you are relatively near the surface, the water is shallow, etc. You still haven't acknowledged that being near a lightning strike on ground is still extremely bad for you, which is just a fact of life. You're also the only one I've ever heard that's unable to understand the idea of using dirt or earth to put out a fire. In 3 seconds of googling on the top links, I found:
"Make sure your fire is completely dead at least ½ hour before you leave camp in the morning. Pour water over any remaining coals and all ashes. If it is not required to pack out your fire waste, use a shovel or your hands to scoop some dirt on top on the fire and mix it into the remains of the fire."
"To properly extinguish a campfire you should:

1. Smother the fire with dirt.
2. Pour water on the smoldering ashes.
3. Stir the mixture. Move rocks to confirm there are no "hidden embers."
4. Add more water, if necessary. "

Note that both water and earth are recommended here? Which goes back to my whole argument, which is not that water won't put out a fire, it's that other elements are undoubtedly strong vs fire too. And this is true about most these elements.

If you want it to be logical, I'd go with:
Fire>Air
Fire>Ice
Water>Fire
Water>Earth
Earth>Fire
Earth>Lightning
Ice>Earth
Ice>Water

If I had to use a single order, it'd probably be either Water>Fire>Ice>Earth>Air>Lightning or Water>Fire>Air>Earth>Lightning>Ice or Water>Earth>Fire>Ice>Air>Lightning or maybe the current one, but I see no specific merit in any 1 over the others.

Maybe in a week you'll understand my point, which has absolutely nothing to do with your extreme focus on fire and water alone.

[Jeryhn]

Is there a way to make the StatusTimer plugin ONLY count up towards how long a status effect has been active for all statuses, rather than count down?

[Fottiti]

manaburning xarc is pretty inefficient compared to melee setup right?
Edit: assuming just farming and you have 12 people

Manaburn would work better with 12 shitty players, if have good players then melee setup is much better.

[Multiabuse]

So I just got a werebuster to open WHM Mythic WS. Just had a question, I know that currently I would need 16,000 Weapon Skill Points to unlock it, seeing as I have never climbed from floor 1-100 in Nyzul Isle. The wiki description of the point system confused me and I am wondering this:

If I attain 250 Weapon Skill Points with said weapon, then climb from floor 1-100, will my wsp be converted over and the mythic weaponskill unlocked? Or do I need to do 250 AFTER reaching floor 100. Thanks so much.