Random Question Thread VI: I'm No Mathologist, But...

**Ragnus** · 2010-01-26 21:02

How much of a drop in performance is full timing K.Osode over TPing in Ratt+10/Snapshot+3 Mirke and WSing in K.Osode for Marksman Rng? I already have Acc+10/DW+3 on mine for Ninja.

If it's a significant difference should I go with the Rng one and just stick to NQ Haub on Nin?

**Khajit** · 2010-01-26 21:27

If you change to anything on nin it needs to be af body.

**Thorny** · 2010-01-26 21:36

Originally Posted by Khajit

If you change to anything on nin it needs to be af body.

acc+10 STR+5 can very easily outdo 2% DW. Haubergeon+1 can also easily outdo AF+1 if accuracy is low enough <_<

**Khajit** · 2010-01-26 21:37

If your acc is that low get better gear.

**kyosak** · 2010-01-27 00:48

Trash that hybrid DW/ACC body.

Wear Hauby when you need the ACC and wear AF when you can afford to. Should really be eating sushi on NIN in most cases anyway. ACC just blows when fighting merit level+ mobs on that job.

**Kaeko** · 2010-01-27 02:24

Haven't done endgame in a long time, but I was told that they changed something with Tiamat's enmity mechanics? Can anyone explain or give any personal experiences? Kind of interested to see exactly what they screwed up.

**Linsivi** · 2010-01-27 02:28

Originally Posted by Kaeko

Haven't done endgame in a long time, but I was told that they changed something with Tiamat's enmity mechanics? Can anyone explain or give any personal experiences? Kind of interested to see exactly what they screwed up.

It seems to not decay enmity (or does so at a very strange rate). It will start drawing BLMs in around 70-80%, and will continue to do so throughout the fight. RDM/NIN seems to be doing better than PLD, DRK/NIN does a great job (til you flail it at 8%..).

It really makes low manning Tia a fucking bitch.

I have never been drawn in at Tia before this change (always go tank party BRD), but it's happened the first time we tried after this change, and on a low man kill.

This happened when they added the Fomor NMs in the past, who have odd acting enmity (but are predictable, unlike Tia).

edit> read your wyrm post on your LJ, my Vrtra pic owns!

**Kaeko** · 2010-01-27 02:53

Originally Posted by Linsivi

It seems to not decay enmity (or does so at a very strange rate). It will start drawing BLMs in around 70-80%, and will continue to do so throughout the fight. RDM/NIN seems to be doing better than PLD, DRK/NIN does a great job (til you flail it at 8%..).

It really makes low manning Tia a fucking bitch.

I have never been drawn in at Tia before this change (always go tank party BRD), but it's happened the first time we tried after this change, and on a low man kill.

This happened when they added the Fomor NMs in the past, who have odd acting enmity (but are predictable, unlike Tia).

edit> read your wyrm post on your LJ, my Vrtra pic owns!

Changing the "cap" or the "decay rate" seems very hard to do on 1 mob in particular... Is this noticeable on other flying wyrms? KS99, Jorm, Ouryu BC?

**Linsivi** · 2010-01-27 02:57

Originally Posted by Kaeko

Changing the "cap" or the "decay rate" seems very hard to do on 1 mob in particular... Is this noticeable on other flying wyrms? KS99, Jorm, Ouryu BC?

Honestly have only done Tiamat since this was changed, so I cannot say for the other 4.

**Kaeko** · 2010-01-27 03:12

Originally Posted by Linsivi

Honestly have only done Tiamat since this was changed, so I cannot say for the other 4.

I might take a peek at it if I see someone fighting it. Seems really odd but if old strategies suddenly stop working something was definitely changed.

**Flic** · 2010-01-27 03:17

The enm cap is def lower than what it use to be on tia, as far as im aware this is only mob that has been effected, after being roared as a pld was very easy to grab hate back again.
Manaburing it still works, just expect alot of draw ins when they are nuking and some hate bounceing.

**Reeno** · 2010-01-27 04:04

is it possible for a RDM or SMN to solo their AF+1 materials in limbus?

**Corresapolonia** · 2010-01-27 08:17

i recently tried Nyzul Isle for the first time as a BLM and we could even clear the 4th ine, but had to get out due to some deaths of ppl.

Anyways, when we tried again the DRK left and we got in a SAM in his place. The SAM lol'd at the fact that i am BLM and doing Nyzul-Isle. He Convinced the Leader of the Party to go with another SAM instead. (Bad for them the RDM in that party left too because he is a friend of mine ^^).

my point is: is BLM absolute worthless in Nyzul-isle? how is someone supposed to get his Mythic weapon for his job, when almost everyone ignores this job?

i understand that BLM has the big disadvantage of the MP going down fast. And resting in nyzul-Isle is no good idea.

any thoughts on this?

**BerenTebogo** · 2010-01-27 08:26

Level another job?

**Dooom** · 2010-01-27 08:29

Blm is terrible in Nyzul. Friends of mine had a static with a blm, was his only job. They got to 100 in the end, but was *hard*, and they didn't do much farming afterwards as they all got fed up and frustrated by it. So it's possible, but it's gonna suck, and you're best off leveling another job.

**Argettio** · 2010-01-27 08:31

BLM is all but useless in nyzul. They can do good damage on Flan/slime floors (but will pull hate and possibly die) and stun for the boss (Gates of Hades etc).

A good group should be able to clear floors/do bosses with a BLM in the party. But very few will ever invite a BLM (unless you are buying drops).

If the person in question only has 1 75 then they will have difficulty ever getting nyzul gear or weapons.

The best chance for a BLM is to join a group of friends that don't mind taking a him and hope they can still do well with the 'handicap'.

**Riiaider** · 2010-01-27 08:31

Originally Posted by Reeno

is it possible for a RDM or SMN to solo their AF+1 materials in limbus?

Probably can as RDM in NW for apollo. I forget the zone in Tem but theres vids of melees soloing it with the goblins on the first floor I think, Not sure if RDM/SMN drops on that floor.

and blm can work in nyzul it really depends on your setup. My friends group staticed 0-100 and farmed gear as whm blm thf(mule that stayed at rune) brd warx2.

**Spyre** · 2010-01-27 09:06

repop timer on Baobhan Sith?

**Vigilia** · 2010-01-27 09:15

What Riiaider above said, if you have 2 very good melees you can basically carry the BLM along the melee floors and they still have limited uses on flans/stuns/backup cures etc... It's not exactly the same but similar, we did 0-100 and farmed for a few months with BRD WHM THF BLU and 2xDD and it was pretty much the same concept- the BLU was hot for stuns, sleeps and debuffs (and cures the few times we got "White magic is restricted") but when rushing through the floors it's not as excellent a DD as straight out melees. With 2xWAR or WAR+SAM or WAR+DRG to rip the mobs to shreds we were far from needing a 3rd fulltime DD. Pickup groups though.. don't even try. And if you bring lots of mage jobs to Nyzul make sure your bard has at least a Storm Fife.

**Midnightjade** · 2010-01-27 09:17

Originally Posted by Corresapolonia

i recently tried Nyzul Isle for the first time as a BLM and we could even clear the 4th ine, but had to get out due to some deaths of ppl.

Anyways, when we tried again the DRK left and we got in a SAM in his place. The SAM lol'd at the fact that i am BLM and doing Nyzul-Isle. He Convinced the Leader of the Party to go with another SAM instead.

BLM isn't great in Nyzul, but from your description I'm guessing that probably wasn't the main issue with the party. Pretty much what Vigilia said - a lot of pickup groups just don't do well in there.

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