OnLive 48 Mins Video Demonstration

**Kerberoz** · 2010-01-23 00:22

And people who can't drive in a blizzard suck at driving, but why bother if you don't have to?

**Meresgi** · 2010-01-23 00:39

When I get in my car in the morning I COULD just not brush the snow off the window and drive blindly down the interstate as well.

**Kaisha** · 2010-01-23 00:48

Originally Posted by thestalkmore

People who can't frag with 80ms pings are shitty players.

Not trolling.

I can frag fine at 80ms ping, but not when all my visual input feedback is reliant on it also. I have to say though it would be interesting to spectate a full OnLive UT3 match where every player is using the service.

**Darus Grey** · 2010-01-23 00:50

Originally Posted by Maguspk

People should read the article, it's funny watching sheep.

The guy clearly states he is well outside the recommended bounds for the beta test (i.e. far from the server) yet when he wire sharked his packets there was only a 85ms response lag. That's not bad at all considering he was in a sub-optimal environment. To the average gamer, who is just using OnLive, it's fine, to the people in this thread who think claiming a ping over 80 totally ruins their fragz, yeah it won't be what they choose.

Also find it funny, Kereboz says I defend it religiously, I won't be using this nor do I even have an investment in it's success. I am just offering the counter argument to the oh so predictable, 'but it will lagz' argument that everyone seems to think they are offering up as some amazingly new idea. If anything, the majority is 'bashing' it religiously. Think about that.

You're right, 80ms of INPUT lag on top of the normal lag is not noticeable at all.

God you're such a tool, do you work for these people? You gotta be getting paid.

**Maguspk** · 2010-01-23 01:05

Originally Posted by Darus Grey

You're right, 80ms of INPUT lag on top of the normal lag is not noticeable at all.

God you're such a tool, do you work for these people? You gotta be getting paid.

mad

Old argument is old. I already offered my solution to that issue last time you got super serious all over this internet foram, try to pay attention next time. Besides, the entire point everybody still seems to miss, no matter how explicitly it's stated is that lag is only an issue on multiplayer games where the server isn't hosted by OnLive. With the moves they've made to ensure servers have <80ms lag ideally, I'm sure hosting their own servers as an option for customers wouldn't be a far fetched idea. Further, it's then only an issue to those to choose to use the service, and to them a few ms of lag is a compromise they're more than willing to make if it means saving dolla bills; nobody is forcing the system on you and with that in mind the constant hate for it is curious at best. Swallow that shit and try to spit back something original this time, all I hear is a parrot squawking.

**Priran** · 2010-01-23 01:14

you're all missing the point

there is no lag, onlive will work perfectly due to tachyons

**Darus Grey** · 2010-01-23 01:14

Yeah yeah, internet is MAGIC. We get it, shit's old son, get a new line.

**Maguspk** · 2010-01-23 01:26

Originally Posted by Darus Grey

Yeah yeah, internet is MAGIC. We get it, shit's old son, get a new line.

Originally Posted by Darus Grey

internet is MAGIC.

Nobody said anything about a magical internet but thanks for proving my point, parrot. When you've recovered from being shut down feel free to respond seriously.

**Meresgi** · 2010-01-23 01:31

All I see here are some magical internet tubes. Does OnLive lube the tubes up to allow more internet?

**Kerberoz** · 2010-01-23 01:34

Yeah, damn you sheep for questioning the PR lines and subjecting their claims to sheepy parrot stuff like reality and physics.

**Maguspk** · 2010-01-23 01:58

Originally Posted by Kerberoz

Yeah, damn you sheep for questioning the PR lines and subjecting their claims to sheepy parrot stuff like reality and physics.

You should read before you post, you just look dumb. Everything stated thus far has been based on user feedback. The person repeating the idiotic physics line is the person refusing to look at the evidence we have in front of us. If someone says the lag is bearable, or even unnoticeable in some cases, people claim how it's impossible for that to exist. 'it's simple physics guyz, i read it on a forum once, u cant get rid of the onlive lags'.

I'll partition it off this time, maybe it'll get through some thick skulls this way. OnLive is promoted as an alternative. Nobody is taking vidya cards off the market, nor is anybody coming to sledgehammer your precious PSTriple and 360. It's for the casuals who don't give a shit about that 80ms lag which they don't even fucking feel; those casuals who don't give a fuck if they can't play UT3 because they just want to play <insert cliche goty (uncharted, assassin's, final fantasy)>. Seriously, no person who even remotely cares about lag would willingly use OnLive, it should be blatantly obvious to even the slowest of BG goers that it's aimed at casuals and not ya'll. Essentially, the defense reaction of the militant gamers is unwarranted, especially if the service is as impossible as you'd lead people to believe.

**Meresgi** · 2010-01-23 05:57

So we're all sheep and you're the White Knight of OnLive

**Darus Grey** · 2010-01-23 07:48

Originally Posted by Maguspk

Nobody said anything about a magical internet but thanks for proving my point, parrot. When you've recovered from being shut down feel free to respond seriously.

Defending the honor of Onlive is serious business apparently.

If Maguspk is white knighting Onlive does that mean he wants to have sex with it? lol.

Your argument is basically you're stupid and the people who might use Onlive are also fucking stupid and won't notice?

Well, I won't argue with you there.

**Lyramion** · 2010-01-23 07:53

where it's a gamble as to whether you connect to a decent server or not,

http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=1063927

**Dezzimal** · 2010-01-23 07:55

Originally Posted by Cephius

This is misrepresenting how it works. You make it look like onlive is halving the response time, which couldn't be further from the truth.

It's more like...

Normally:

You -> inputs sent > server or host receives > host issues response > your client displays result

Onlive presents:

You -> inputs sent > onlive receives > issues commands to game client > client communicates with host/server > host issues response > client renders > onlive streams result > you recieve

Not sure how you managed to skew my simple representation of it enough to come to that conclusion. The point I made was that your mouseclicks/keypresses aren't going to be instantly represented on your screen like they would be if you were playing locally.

**Maguspk** · 2010-01-24 00:10

Originally Posted by Darus Grey

Defending the honor of Onlive is serious business apparently.

If Maguspk is white knighting Onlive does that mean he wants to have sex with it? lol.

Your argument is basically you're stupid and the people who might use Onlive are also fucking stupid and won't notice?

Well, I won't argue with you there.

lol, you make it so hilariously obvious when you know you're wrong. You know it's a valid alternative for certain people and certain situations yet you don't want to concede the point. You never will either, which is hilarious because it only makes you look stubbornly ignorant.

**Darus Grey** · 2010-01-24 01:42

Originally Posted by Maguspk

lol, you make it so hilariously obvious when you know you're wrong. You know it's a valid alternative for certain people and certain situations yet you don't want to concede the point. You never will either, which is hilarious because it only makes you look stubbornly ignorant.

Pot, Kettle, What?

Last I checked we're all making fun of you...the "I know you are but what am I" game doesn't work at this age kiddo.

**Maguspk** · 2010-01-24 03:25

Originally Posted by Darus Grey

Pot, Kettle, What?

Last I checked we're all making fun of you...the "I know you are but what am I" game doesn't work at this age kiddo.

Still yet to explain why you won't admit OnLive is a valid alternative when we both know it is. You haven't argued anything for me to rebut, you've only trashed the service and been sarcastic, whereas I have suggested where and to whom the service would be beneficial.

Here I'll make it simple for you, just answer the following questions with an explanation which isn't sarcasm:

1. Why is OnLive not a valid alternative to those who do not wish to buy a personal computer which is capable of playing PC games or console games for which they do not have the corresponding console?
2. Why is 80ms of lag on a game, especially those which do not require hair trigger reactions, 'unplayable'.
3. Why is nearly every developer supporting OnLive's business model?
4. Why do a majority of the beta testers not seem to complain about lag outside of server-client model game types? Are they lying?

If you can seriously answer these questions explaining why you feel so confident that OnLive is a failure waiting to happen, then we can move on; however I doubt you will because we both know you're incapable of doing so. Until then, there isn't much I can do when you just construct straw men and create invalid implications. It may be enough to get the average idiot to baselessly hate, but I have yet to see a reason for such a strong disdain for what appears to be a service directed at a very particular audience.

Basically, you hatin' on it for no good reason. It's like someone saying, 'LOL anyone who drives a Toyota is a jackass, idiot who doesn't know shit, everybody should just drive a Lexus'. I mean it carries through just about everything. Do you own a mansion, luxury cars and the best things money can buy? Because if you don't, boy are you stupid for considering an alternative at a lower price, with some drawbacks compared to the superlatives, boy oh boy.

edit:
Anyone should feel free to answer the questions, because if you do it will force you to think and realize the facts of the matter.
Also, I can't wait to see Darus Grey not reply to the questions, or reply sarcastically again, every time he does it just validates me.

**Darus Grey** · 2010-01-24 03:33

I don't reply to you seriously because you're delusional, consider yourself validated, I'm sure you need the self-esteem boost. Fact that your mental health seems to ride on the success of Onlive only makes me question your sanity.

**Meresgi** · 2010-01-24 03:37

1. Why is OnLive not a valid alternative to those who do not wish to buy a personal computer which is capable of playing PC games or console games for which they do not have the corresponding console?
2. Why is 80ms of lag on a game, especially those which do not require hair trigger reactions, 'unplayable'.
3. Why is nearly every developer supporting OnLive's business model?
4. Why do a majority of the beta testers not seem to complain about lag outside of server-client model game types? Are they lying?

1: Because anyone who would be playing the games in the first place will quite possibly be a gamer, sure its a nice hook to snag new people but anyone with a background in gaming will have a console or have a PC already. And PC's are cheap as hell anyways, why not kill 2 birds with one stone and have a workstation and something you can game on. It's not hard, or costly

2: Any lag is noticeable, any game that isnt turnbased will showcase it, I dont care if it's only 80ms. You claim non hair trigger games, what games are those? Shit, even Tetris became hair trigger after a certain level. Most games now require a .5-1 second time frame to input certain things or get smacked around.

3: Because they know they can make a huge profit off it? Them making a profit doesnt actually mean we get anything in return.

4: Yeah, the beta testers would never lie, they would never receive kickbacks or anything. Ever wonder why most MMO beta invites are given out to members of the press FIRST. Who are all the beta testers, do we have a list of each person and their background in gaming?

There you got a serious answer.

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