Drop XIX: We can't see your drop pools

[Arximiro]

Please stop confusing gimp THFs with THFs who put an effort in, go the extra mile and take THF for the versitle job that it is.

QFT, Thief in Salvage is another prime example of where a good thief shines.

[Silenka]

The answer is level SMN, it's like THF without the TP worries!

(and no TH...and no collab...and no SATA...) ....

[Aurara]

it's sad how narrow minded people are when it comes to thf dmg.

[Ohaigaiz]

apparently most of you are illiterate.

thf is not horrible by any standards on most mobs, but when it comes to hnms it cannot even compete with 2h jobs.

hnms, einherjar, dynamis(mostly) and overall most 'higher level' mobs shun thf and allow 2h jobs to leave it in the dust. leave your bune and salvage out of this catagory.

[Konda]

hnms, einherjar, dynamis(mostly) and overall most 'higher level' mobs shun thf and allow 2h jobs to leave it in the dust. leave your bune and salvage out of this catagory.

Einherjar and Dynamis are 2 of the least friendly situations possible for THF DD, as there are crouds of people, lag, and spinning monsters. Try landing SA+WS as soon as you have TP. Try finding someone who will stand still long enough to let you TA them. The crowd of people around a mob severely restricts a THF's performance on the DD front. It's pain enough at these events trying to land an Overwhelm'd weaponskill to the point where I make a point of voking any mob I engague so that it's more likely to face me.
This is kind of beside the point, as THF usually pulls in dynamis, and isn't as largely required in Einherjar. A THF is useful for collaborators, feints aswell as pulling in both of these events.

which HNMs are you asking about specifically? I'll comment on the Fafnir mentioned earlier. Last time I did Faf, my LS was dead against me using sneak attack incase I might trigger spike flail. I was trick attacking all of my weaponskills onto the tank (or some1 standing near him on his foot, kinda hard to tell sometimes), and the only things that I'd be gaining emnity from was my supposidly "feeble" melee strikes and would-be SA strikes.
Frankly, if a tank can't deal with that, he needs to give up tanking.

By doing as the LS asked, a big portion of my DMG output was unavailable(+100 weapon damage and garanteed Critical hit every 50secs). This is like a BLM using only Tier3 instead of Tier4 because Tier4 might get magic agro from further away or some other ridiculous reason.

This is exactly the kind of ignorance people have to the workings of THF, and how to utilise these workings to their maximum potential.

QFT, Thief in Salvage is another prime example of where a good thief shines.

I agree, and for most zones we're restricted in dagger and hand choices so perform worse in the DD sector.


EDIT: we're not asking you to think as THF as a "prime DD", just asking you to stop comparing gimpshit THFs with ones that make an effort. Take 2mins to look next time and you'll notice it instantly.
Ill pick up any replies in the morning. gnite

[S N K]

have you ever tried to melee fafnir as thf, konda?

Multiple times. I never sub NIN to anything with stupid high defense. Subbing WAR is so much better for a THF on Fafnir seeing as there's no point whatsoever to dual wield on it. I can Tp fast enough and keep up pretty damn well.

P.S. I carried my own Eye drops also which any DD on Fafnir/Nidhogg should always have if you're lowmanning it.

[Viq]

let me ask this of the people who think THF is only thf's knife and armletts:
Have you ever broken 2k on anything that gives experience, or if you have, anything in a merit party?

At the risk of being whooshed, your other criteria were pretty laughable. This example is just straight up retarded. You'll have more luck naming jobs that CAN'T break 2k on merit mobs.

[NynJa]

have you ever tried to melee fafnir as thf, konda? all i hear is wiff and hits for 0, honestly. even with full acc build and sushi all i hear is wiff. it's basically the same thing on all hnms tbh. sa or ta an hnm as thf is basically the only way to go otherwise the mob either has too much eva to hit or gets hit for 0.

thf is not horrible by any standards on most mobs, but when it comes to hnms it cannot even compete with 2h jobs.

If you put the thf in the shit party that has no support, where they arent getting haste, nor songs, yes that will indeed happen.

[Raen Ryong]

If you put the thf in the shit party that has no support, where they arent getting haste, nor songs, yes that will indeed happen.

"THF can't DD! Now fulltime this substandard knife and hands which don't add melee stats please. No, you can't have buffs, are you crazy? You can't DD, remember?"

[Aurara]

If you put the thf in the shit party that has no support, where they arent getting haste, nor songs, yes that will indeed happen.

this happens far too often, if i had brd songs i'd easily hit 700-800 TA mandelics. i've done 1k w/o buffs and using TK...so lol.

[S N K]

I've broken 1400 Man Stabs in Dynamis with a BRD before so while it's lolDynamis the job can put out some good numbers but as with all DDs if your gear is shit then your damage is gonna be shit.

Anyways I'm gonna stop here before we all get modded on but THF can be a really good DD but it comes down to the gear and the player a lot.

P.S. Nynja, Good to see you back again. You've been gone far too long.

[NynJa]

wow these people are fucking retarded... they have absolutely no coordination in their party setups and have me in a party with the gallant pld, blu, and no brd or cor... inviting their faggot buddies with nq haub and byakko's axe to the party with the cor and brd? fuck these guys

Sucks eh? Good luck with epeen numbers like that lawl

[Marcicus]

god damn it is WAY too easy to troll THFs on these boards.

[Aurara]

god damn it is WAY too easy to troll THFs on these boards.

except people are serious 98% of the time when they say "thf is th only"

[S N K]

except people are serious 98% of the time when they say "thf is th only"

Pretty much this in a nutshell.

[Ohaigaiz]

Sucks eh? Good luck with epeen numbers like that lawl

i can still blow a thf out of the water with no brd/cor buffs you idiot.

apparently you can't comprehend the fact that i never said thf was bad or isn't a dd. just, in my opinion, thf can't shine on high def mobs such as hnms. it can't shine on mobs it can't sa or whatever.

i'm done beating this dead horse especially since i've got assholes like you completely misreading statements i've said. the entire persona surrounded by 'thf isn't a dd' is because who do you want more for damage at your hnms and higher end mobs? a thf/war or a 2h 6hit? that's all i'm saying. about the subject. shits situational.

[Raen Ryong]

It's not that we're misreading, but the fact remains that the Thief is there! Unless you're swimming in people, might as well make it cause damage. Obviously the 2handed DD is better there, but it's not like you have to objectively choose unless you have way too many people.

[Callisto]

0/12 so far on this stupid NM out here but I get this from a PH...
http://slashangry.net/callisto/goths.png

[Aurara]

needs more TH > i went 1/3 with TH4!

[Callisto]

I'm 0/2 with T4, 0/3 with T3, 0/3 with T1, the rest with nothing. Wish my mule you see there had THF up higher but I had a hell of a time finding parties on it when I was actively trying to level it, lol. These new NMs are pretty brutal, especially if you can't consistently get TH on them.