BluRay - 25gb wasn't big enough for ya?

[montijin]

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[SephYuyX]

lol outdated

[kuronosan]

People who don't support the Blu-Ray format aren't too serious about watching movies with modern picture/audio quality capablities or those who still believe they need to break the bank to switch from the outdated format that is DVD. So whenever someone says Blu-Ray isn't much of a improvement over DVD I assume they are trolling, mad because they have a huge DVD collection or technologically ignorant.

I'll assume you meant CD-ROM, which is indeed outdated.

If you didn't, then it's not the Blu-Ray doubters who are technologically ignorant.

[willriker]

O.o DVD is outdated? Seriously? Thaths the first time ive heard that. VHS, CD-ROMS, Tape decks are out dated. DVD's havent hit that stage yet.

[zoobernut]

People who don't support the Blu-Ray format aren't too serious about watching movies with modern picture/audio quality capablities or those who still believe they need to break the bank to switch from the outdated format that is DVD. So whenever someone says Blu-Ray isn't much of a improvement over DVD I assume they are trolling, mad because they have a huge DVD collection or technologically ignorant.

Adding in my lulz at this comment. You are delusional if you think DVD is outdated. As awesome as Bluray is, DVD isn't outdated.

Also technically Bluray is a type of DVD. It just uses a blue laser instead of red laser and the data imprints on the aluminum backing are smaller. But other than that the technology is the same as DVD.

High definition video on Bluray discs has nothing to do with the disc itself the disc just provides more storage space to make larger movies possible.

[Correction]

Well that settles it, better destroy my DVDs of Casablanca and The Searchers, because Blu Ray will provide such a quantum leap in quality for those flicks right?

[Xno Kappa]

I can see DVD's being outdated for storage uses in accordance with games. FFXIII is probably going to be like 9 DVD's for Xbox.

[Kaisha]

FFXIII is probably going to be like 9 DVD's for Xbox.

It would have if SE didn't decide to botch FMV & audio quality to squeeze it onto 3 DVDs instead.

Well that settles it, better destroy my DVDs of Casablanca and The Searchers, because Blu Ray will provide such a quantum leap in quality for those flicks right?

I wish, but all BluRay has done in my eyes on older films is make it more obvious that the movie is aged.
(re: noise, specks, makes faults from the hardware of the day more obvious, etc)

Was watching my Star Trek collection the other day, and when a scene wasn't shot too well, it was made damn obvious by the extra clarity, so it's a bit of a double-edged sword.

if you can't tell the difference between HD and SD you need to get a better TV >B|

Part of it has to do with the distance you sit from the TV also. With the way my parents have the living room set up, there'd be no point to upgrade to BluRay unless they replaced their current TV with a 50" just so you could see the extra damn detail from the couch.

[fussel]

The point was that in their respective time periods they had similar places in the market with respect to the technology and the people using them. The only advantage BluRay has right now is that it also can be used for games for the ps3. Other than that during the time of Laserdiscs and VHS their place in the market of movies is similar in situation to DVD and BluRay now.

There's another difference between the upgrade from DVD to BluRay and the upgrade from VHS to Laserdisc: A BluRay player is backwards compatible to a DVD player which is backwards compatible to a VCD player.

Laserdisc was some kind of stand-alone dead-end (random tidbit: did you know that laserdisc was analog?). People couldn't buy a Laserdisc player and pop in their old video tapes. So you had to buy two devices, because not everything was released on Laserdisc and additionally, you couldn't record a LD.

People might get a BluRay player instead of a DVD player in a few months when players get cheap. Like people got DVD drives for their computers when the mainstream medium was still CD-ROM.

But other than that the technology is the same as DVD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray...ing_technology

Another detail, but seriously.... A disc from a video rentals store without any scratches was hard to believe at first.

[kuronosan]

Well, regardless of whether a Blu-Ray player is backwards compatible or not - it doesn't make DVD outdated. If anything, DVD has become the new CD-ROM and will stay that way for a long time.

[zoobernut]

There's another difference between the upgrade from DVD to BluRay and the upgrade from VHS to Laserdisc: A BluRay player is backwards compatible to a DVD player which is backwards compatible to a VCD player.

Laserdisc was some kind of stand-alone dead-end (random tidbit: did you know that laserdisc was analog?). People couldn't buy a Laserdisc player and pop in their old video tapes. So you had to buy two devices, because not everything was released on Laserdisc and additionally, you couldn't record a LD.

People might get a BluRay player instead of a DVD player in a few months when players get cheap. Like people got DVD drives for their computers when the mainstream medium was still CD-ROM.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray...ing_technology

Another detail, but seriously.... A disc from a video rentals store without any scratches was hard to believe at first.

*sigh* yes I know this stuff. Thank you for stating a bunch of obvious stuff that still doesn't change the original point I was making.

I know that Bluray has a much better chance of survival than laserdisc I know that it is backwards compatible which will help once bluray players are cheap enough that people get those instead of regular dvd players. At the moment the majority of bluray demographic is enthusiasts and gamers.

AT THE MOMENT. Just in case you missed that part.

The technology that you are talking about, the hard coating is NOT part of bluray technology. It has nothing to do with how the information is written to the disc or how the information is read off the disc. It was a necessity to develop because bluray is more susceptible to damaging scratches than regular DVD's but it is not attached to the bluray technology they could use the hard coating on DVD's if they wanted.

[wyrmtung]

Increased storage and video quality is nice and all but when is Sony goign to fix it's bloated software?

When I wanna watch a movie, I turn on my player, take a piss and grab a drink. By that time the tray will finally open for me to put in the movie. Then I go wash my car, read a short novel, and file my income taxes in the time it takes for the movie to load.

Granted, my player is two years old now. I guess it is time for me to finally pull the trigger on a PS3.

[willriker]

Yeah, PS3 does take a few seconds between where you hit the eject button and when the disk actualy ejects. Mabey 3 seconds or so. In that regard it could be faster. It could also be much much worse.

I know the ones you are talking about though. it does suck hehe. I wonder why the ps3 even takes 3 seconds to eject the game/dvd/br. I cant really explain why that is.

[kuronosan]

You post on a forum dedicated to FFXI, which you play, and you don't know a time sink when you see it?

For shame!

[fussel]

The technology that you are talking about, the hard coating is NOT part of bluray technology.

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Do...0308-15270.pdf

page 13.

[Korietsu]

DVD as a storage format is outdated. Blu-Ray as a storage format is outdated. There's always another faster, more efficient piece of technology even if it's pricier. Eventually, we'll have progressed past our shitty land-lines and terrible excuse for telcom infrastructure that we're just streaming everything, or buying SSD chips, and when that happens, moore's law has already kicked it's ass.

[zoobernut]

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Do...0308-15270.pdf

page 13.

What is your point? I really hate it when people quote shit without reading it first or making a point associated with a random website they find to quote. If you don't say anything the link means nothing.

Oh and I read the paper and it doesn't say anything to refute what I posted and you quoted from my post.

All it says is that the hard coating is necessary for BD and not for DVD. Again BD exists WITHOUT the hard coating the first generation BD were encased in plastic cases like the UMD discs to protect them. The hard coating was developed later to make the discs cheaper to develop.

Edit: Quoting from the wiki you posted:

Hard-coating technology

Since the Blu-ray Disc data layer is closer to the surface of the disc compared to the DVD standard, it was at first more vulnerable to scratches.[55] The first discs were housed in cartridges for protection, resembling Professional Discs introduced by Sony in 2003.

Using a cartridge would increase the price of an already expensive medium, so hard-coating of the pickup surface was chosen instead. TDK was the first company to develop a working scratch-protection coating for Blu-ray Discs. It was named Durabis. In addition, both Sony and Panasonic's replication methods include proprietary hard-coat technologies. Sony's rewritable media are spin-coated, using a scratch-resistant and antistatic coating. Verbatim's recordable and rewritable Blu-ray Discs use their own proprietary hard-coat technology, called ScratchGuard.

All Blu-Ray Disc media are required by specification to be scratch-resistant.[56] DVD media are not required to be scratch-resistant, but since development of the technology, some companies, such as Verbatim, implemented hard-coating for more expensive lineups of recordable DVDs.

Just to make sure you caught that pay attention to the bolded parts. Specially the last part where it says that some companies have adopted the technology for DVD's. That means that the hard coating is not unique to BD.