(Ni wheel) Richardd Tanks Thread, TaruKing Mayad.

[richardd]

ok, im gonna bite 1 last time before i go to bed. Link is right, i think you are enjoying the pwning almost as much as i enjoy doing it to you

You can't even make an arguement without writing wall of text of no significant value, pulling your so-called rep card and supplementing your text with poorly constructed photoshoped picture equivalent to scribbled work of a 3 year old girl.

really?.. if i wake up and see the same "ur gay and scribble like a girl" insult to your post after this, i will donate 20$ to sonamaa to ban you for not flaming correctly. seriously man. i heard poop jokes that entertained me more than that. umad

You are not the only good tank in this game, and there are other modest players who can do the same if not better than you so stop using reputation as evidence to prove your point.

i get all my inspiration from 3 people. ruke/kisada/mojo, and a side of hakamaru and other unsung heroes youll never know the names of. i use their rep as my inspiration and it got me this far, ill do whatever i can for the future breed of ninjas that will live on until the servers die, even if im playing 14 or shooting pool since i dont play anymore. i still care babeh.

It seems that you can't even decide which side you should take. All you need to do is answer this simple question - is PLD more versatile than NIN in endgame battles and requires less support/healing which makes it a better tank of choice than NIN? If your answer is no, defend your point of view.

see, this is where the question lies. my point of view is my own which is how a debate begins. you took it upon yourself to get trolled by supermanrich, since you never involved this subject until i pushed you in the corner and forced you to.


i DO want to troll... but why not. i like to debate. so here:

you are close minded. period.

nin can save way more mp than a pld sometimes, and vice versa. a stun on a wing (which happens frequently i might add, since its how we establish hate) will save a lot more mp of the re-Stoneskins/cures/whatever than it will on a pld cure IV'ing himself in enmity gear trying to keep up with my CE.

they compliment eachother great because, i have the option of SE'ing while they spam cure me for hate which builds up a ton in the long run.

plds dont shield block 100% of the time. idc who you are. i tanked with great tanks from stan->jack, the 1st owner of a burtang and helped you all realize excal was still better most of the time. you see, i tanked with all kinds of plds which include aegis/excals/burts/drings/full valhala/homam/avalon/ares/haut/shield skill/atonement spammers/haub+1 TP'ing/whatever the fuck ever plds you can think of. however, with darksteel/more new shit they got, i could take -50% physical off EVERY hit. no matter how much you paid for your aegis, look on a parser with a competent nin or rdm and see that the average dmg taken isnt going to be too far off. it sux, but its the world we live in. oh noes.

you see.. my LS didnt have your "standard" DD's. not to sound like a elitist, but ace's helm/usu/6 hits were considered normal. dont get me wrong, i got respect for ANY sam that gears his job the best he can, even if he has NQ snipers/life belts, but in the LS i was in, thats just the way it was. 2 plds spam cure cheating, isnt going to hold hate on a sam like me that can pump out 1200 gekkos every minute or less. not to mention the front overwhelm WS's. so sometimes SE'ing with a pld cure IV'ing you in enmity is a good team strat. i was able to keep hate off a KC drk with 2300 HP and 26% haste as well as a war who 2 houred and pumped out 2-3 SC's in a period of approx 1 min (which included a sneak attack.... lol blu/thf flailing... really now). the pld didnt mind that the mob was mostly on me, hell. i can solo tank it, but he always had my back in case there was a roar that wasnt stunned, and vice versa.

i think nin can be just as mp saving as pld on mobs that call for it. but depending on the strat, i think pld is better than nin on things like AV and your less-than-10-hour-PW's.


















but who cares, im arguing with:
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[LinktheDeme]

richardd, people were always close minded. So many people used to be pld/war only until ruke released his nin/drk and nin/brd data then all of the sudden people cared and started letting ninjas tank. Then people eventually evolved into pld/nin once all those updates came out for PLD. If no one publicly posted data people would probably see still be all over PLD/WAR.

[S N K]

richardd, people were always close minded. So many people used to be pld/war only until ruke released his nin/drk and nin/brd data then all of the sudden people cared and started letting ninjas tank. Then people eventually evolved into pld/nin once all those updates came out for PLD. If no one publicly posted data people would probably see still be all over PLD/WAR.

This is very true. On Fairy back in 05 we had a JP PLD named Secure tank Nidhogg with PLD/NIN and some of us thought it was stupid to do it. Now it's more the norm for almost anything a PLD tanks end game.

Things change as time goes on and people have learned this game inside and out that anything *outside of AV* is defeatable.

[Cairthenn]

RDM Tank or . This means all of you, fucking Ninjas.

[Stellar]

I've taken multiple breaks from the game for long periods at a time and when I come back nothing has changed but players' mentalities.

The player makes the job more than the job makes the player. So if you say NIN sucks, it's likely from personal experience and if it's not do you really have a valid opinion?

My Ninja owns. (owned.. w/e)

[pchan]

A perfect NIN with relic, double march, haste, samba, using pizza will destroy the damage potential of PLD while still being able to tank extremely efficiently (if you can do full melee damage you obviously won't need to be spamming spells for hate)

In this case, plenty of DD out perform him at tanking. Provoke is only good in Valkurm dunes you know.

[rog]

I still don't see how it's feasible without slow, especially considering the frequency it double attacks at. I've done it myself and when Slow wore it became ridiculously difficult if it were to resist and proceed to double attack me once or twice. I could see managing it short run but I think it would extend the length of the fight greatly (or more likely, kill you) if you didn't use Slow at all.

Edit: How long did it take you?

Yes, it was very difficult, but it was manageable. Protip: blink is actually useful.

First one took around 3 hours, partly because my gear was quite a bit worse, partly because i was extremely cautious, and not even doing so well with tanking. Second time took me a bit over 2 hours.

[pchan]

Give me a good reason why a LS should invest their resource in gearing up a NIN tank.

Man you are playing in 2004 or some shit, doing anything within one (hnm)LS, which is what you claim is the way to go is totally retarded. "Having your LS gearing your NIN". Obviously if you wait for your LS to gear your rdm/pld/nin you'll get nowhere. RDM only get absolute trash gear from HNMs for instance.

[rog]

Man you are playing in 2004 or some shit, doing anything within one (hnm)LS, which is what you claim is the way to go is totally retarded. "Having your LS gearing your NIN". Obviously if you wait for your LS to gear your rdm/pld/nin you'll get nowhere. RDM only get absolute trash gear from HNMs for instance.

Dalm is trash?

[Nevex]

Dalm is trash?

Compared to Morrigan's, yes.

[Raen Ryong]

Dalm is trash?

This is pchan you're talking to; everyone has full salvage sets for all of their jobs.

Compared to Morrigan's, yes.

And if you don't have Morrigan's? :O

[rog]

Compared to Morrigan's, yes.

Only advantage morrigan's has is for nuking. If you don't do much nuking, then there's little difference between them.

[drwaffles]

Doesn't change the fact that it's still better. Why the fuck would you "not do much nuking" anyway?

[pchan]

Only advantage morrigan's has is for nuking. If you don't do much nuking, then there's little difference between them.

-50 HP is pro for tanks. Inefore idle red mage.

[Raen Ryong]

Doesn't make Dalmy trash though either. Also if you're playing purely support role RDM, Dalmy is arguably better due to more MP.

EDIT: When tanking you shouldn't be getting hit through your Stoneskin that much for the -50hp to substantially affect CE loss by AoEs, and you'll likely be wearing Darksteel Harness+1 to eat physical attacks anyway. An extra 1/tick is an extra 1/tick!

[drwaffles]

Dalm is only good for HP down macros and as a stepping stone between Vermy and Morrigan's after getting Chapeau. It's not trash, but unless you have a Chapeau and no Morrigan's it's nothing more than an expensive, more aesthetically-pleasing Vermy. I had both on my old character and quite honestly Dalm essentially became a trophy that sat in my MH and barely saw the light of day aside from when I wanted to run around town in it or something.

[Raen Ryong]

Haha well I had no means whatsoever to do Salvage nor 12m to spare so Dalmy would've been ideal.

[S N K]

Dalm is only good for HP down macros and as a stepping stone between Vermy and Morrigan's after getting Chapeau. It's not trash, but unless you have a Chapeau and no Morrigan's it's nothing more than an expensive, more aesthetically-pleasing Vermy. I had both on my old character and quite honestly Dalm essentially became a trophy that sat in my MH and barely saw the light of day aside from when I wanted to run around town in it or something.

Gonna have to disagree with this seeing as Vermy locks away your head slot and Dalmy doesn't. Morrigan's I'll agree upon because it is better. The price tho is still staggering if you want to compare the two which keep a lot of people from getting them as fast as a cursed Dalmy.

[Shinryuu]

Haha someone in this topic asked the question "why would a LS invest in a NIN tank". It baffles me. A perfect NIN PDT set + MDT set + some spare enmity pieces together can't break 5M and that's when you're unlucky with darksteel+1 synths.

[rog]

Doesn't change the fact that it's still better. Why the fuck would you "not do much nuking" anyway?

Because not every rdm does things that require them to nuke?