What's Better?

[pchan]

Because you are your own pal? That's pretty sad.

Go away kid.

[jessee]

A Thief with Mandau.

And sadly I have no hecatomb cap to run numbers with at the moment; however, I do have Gnadbhod's helm.

At looking at the numbers, it appears as if Gnadbhod's helm > Hecatomb Cap (NQ/HQ) ... primarily for SA+MS.

However, (not that this is a great way to determine the answer), every Mandau Thief I've seen uses Heca (mainly NQ).

Would Gnadbhod > Heca (NQ/HQ) for SA+MS, or heck even other WS's?

Thank you.

[Virg]

Eh why would STR+6 DEX+5 Attack+8 be better than STR+11 DEX+5 on Mercy Stroke, or any jobs that can use both for any WS?

[jessee]

I may be under the wrong impression. My impression was having more attack was more desirable than having more str ...

I've also had the understanding that all relic weaponskills were based on attack before modifiers kicked in.

Am i wrong?

[Virg]

I doubt that 8 attack will beat out 5 STR. Would have to see the rest of your gear, the food you eat, buffs and the mob you fight. But yeah as I said I really doubt 8 attack will beat 5 STR on Mercy Stroke.

[Raen Ryong]

I may be under the wrong impression. My impression was having more attack was more desirable than having more str ...

I've also had the understanding that all relic weaponskills were based on attack before modifiers kicked in.

Am i wrong?

(D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP * Pdif is the base damage equation for all physical weaponskills, regardless of source. Some have an attack/pdif bonus on top of that - however, the role of the attack/defence function (pdif) is the same: a damage multiplier of sorts.

Since it is a multiplier, it doesn't matter whether it occurs at the beginning or end, since abc = bca = acb = bac etc.

You might be getting this misconception from Tachi: Kaiten; it doesn't gain anything special from Attack, it's just that the mainstay Samurai GKT weaponskill prior to this has a huge attack/pdif bonus, so Attack suddenly becomes far more valuable comparatively.

But yeah, MS:

- STR is a huge mod and remember that the comparative Attack from Gnadbohd's is less than printed, since 2STR = 1ATK.
- MS will always be performed under a SA or TA, meaning it is a critical hit - this devalues adding further Attack.

[Thorny]

Heca ->

your pdif would have to be absolutely disgusting for 5.5 attack to beat ~4 base damage and SA alone will pretty much guarantee it's high enough

[jessee]

Understood, thank you very much for explaining

[Gustaf the Voidbringer]

I only have the hands, but are there any other notable pieces of DRK AF+1? A quick glance gives me the impression that the feet are okay for Guillotine.

[Andradi]

Feet are the best pure damage item for guillotine and cross reaper, head is excellent for Souleater weaponskills (and also just general WS if you lack a better alternative), body might be better than haub+1 for single hits, probably not worth the coins for that, though.

[Arximiro]

What augs are needed to make a Erlking's Kheten better than Perdu?

[Khajit]

What augs are needed to make a Erlking's Kheten better than Perdu?

Best answer:
Get a goddamned rune chopper already.
Other answer:
Go for some good dmg+ str and DA or atk assuming capped acc.

[Deader2818]

For MNK (Asuran Fists), NIN (Jin) and THF (DE) WOuld I be better off with WSacc and WSdmg or Wsacc and acc/attack for moogle helm?

[Arximiro]

I don't know a single War that uses a Rune Chopper outside of merit pts. Quit actling like it's the new Blitz Ring. Rdms have enough shit to deal with during events. But seriously, what Augments does it need to beat Perdu, looking for examples.

[Demosthenes11]

get better rdms

[Arximiro]

get better rdms

God shut up already, that's a completely ridiculous overused comment. Can you not think of anything original? I'm not surprised, you never were very creative.

[BerenTebogo]

get better rdms

+1

[Arximiro]

+1

Hurr

[BerenTebogo]

+1

+2(%haste)

[Arximiro]

+2(%haste)

Relic w/out DuskFeet+1, lolwut?