What's Better?

[Shinryuu]

Jesus you're a moron. I'm not much of a dusk+1 feet fan for WAR because the stats on aurum feet are good tradeoff-wise when you're looking to optimize a RC build which I almost always use (for instance, blitz/aurum > toreador/dusk+1 due to DEX and costs) but there's no denying that for a WAR getting somewhere with his basic gear, dusk+1 is one of the earliest 'more expensive' things to buy.

[Dooom]

Jesus Christ can we just ban Arx yet? I'm fed up of reading three-four pages of him going "NO U" bullshit every time he posts.

Rdm's job is support. If they can't fit refreshing you into their cycle then something is wrong. Failing that, man the fuck up and get some yagudo drinks.

[Pandorablue]

Quick one here: In the midst of leveling DNC right now. Would it be worth it to camp a Headlong Belt, or would I be fine with using Life > Tilt > Virtuoso (already have)?

[Shinryuu]

Well, Swift Belt. Don't camp Headlong, if you're too lazy (pardon the wording, but it is kind of an easy and very worthwhile item to get) to get swift belt, just buy the headlong from AH.

[Furionstormrage]

I'll outparse all you with my NIN.

[Pandorablue]

Well, Swift Belt. Don't camp Headlong, if you're too lazy (pardon the wording, but it is kind of an easy and very worthwhile item to get) to get swift belt, just buy the headlong from AH.

I made it a point not to mention Swift Belt. What I want to know is Haste+3% vs. Acc+12 in the long run?

[Shinryuu]

Depends on mainly how much haste buffs/gear you have. In normal exp, virtuoso, definitely, unless you're certain you're well above 89% hitrate (could parse).

Swift Belt :B

[Callisto]

Well, Swift Belt. Don't camp Headlong, if you're too lazy (pardon the wording, but it is kind of an easy and very worthwhile item to get) to get swift belt, just buy the headlong from AH.

I really do have to disagree here, I've personally watched my g/f and 2 LSmates go a combined 2/54 with TH2, I think I went 1/12. It takes time to get codeces, build hate, and organize Swift Belt runs in general, it's not like you just stroll into Sacrarium and walk out with one in 30 minutes. If Headlong Belt can be comparable to or better than other easily bought/camped options there's nothing wrong with getting one to holdover until you can manage a Swift.

[Shinryuu]

Oh it can certainly be a holdover and I'm not disagreeing, but he mentioned camping Headlong (which is time-intensive) when he could spend that time getting a swift belt (which he should, since it's still a very very worthwhile investment) and just buy/sell headlong belt.

[Taint]

Thx alot for answering, but doesn't "RNG with Anni will take the longest to hit the hate cap" mean RNG would actually win ? I mean even if sam would do dmgs faster when he'll reach his "hate cap" he'll either die or have to stop doing dmgs, while the rng will be able to keep doing full dmgs so overall wouldn't the rng win ?

PS : I knew about culvy+1 but I was wondering how anni does compared to it, but ty again for answering

SAMs have very good tanking gear/ability choices that allow them to ride the hate line and stay alive. The only catch is once they are at cap their damage will slow some from Seigan as apposed to hasso.

[Arximiro]

I'll outparse all you with my NIN.

I'm a moron Furb, and I guess that means all of our LS was morons since I helped most of the DDs gear up their jobs. We're also morons for the 17 man Odins and 18 man Tier III Einherjars we did. Such bad players should just quit the game.

On a side note it's funny that you feel the need to start your posts about me with Jesus, the non-existent Christian savior.

[chazzyphizzle]

Does your family even like you?

[Arximiro]

Of course, I'm much nicer in real life. My family isn't full of worthless assholes who shit and piss on each other all day. 90% of the posters here deserve no respect so in turn they get none.

[leeroyjay]

Which is better and why?


1) NIN - Blade: Jin --> Ancient Torque or Breeze/Thunder Gorget?

2) SAM - Penta Thrust --> Ancient Torque or Shadow Gorget?

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Anyone?

Curious when the ACC/DEX on Ancient Torque will (if ever) outdo the ACC bonus on Sea Gorgets for multi-hit WS. I'm guessing that ACC is better to help conenct all of the hits, but how much ACC does a Sea Gorget give?

[Furionstormrage]

I'm a moron Furb, and I guess that means all of our LS was morons since I helped most of the DDs gear up their jobs. We're also morons for the 17 man Odins and 18 man Tier III Einherjars we did. Such bad players should just quit the game.

On a side note it's funny that you feel the need to start your posts about me with Jesus, the non-existent Christian savior.

The only people I pay any mind are those who can present an argument in a civil and mature manner, so you can imagine how much content on internet forums I completely ignore.

But for clarity's sake, it was a 19 man Odin, that the people on this forum in particular said we had little to no chance winning with our setup. (The ones who replied, mind you). I recall it being very easy and winning with plenty of time to spare, so it's not like everything anyone posts is an absolute.

[Byrthnoth]

People say Sea Gorgets give 10 Acc to all hits and +.1 fTP to the first hit.

Honestly, on Penta Thrust Love torque might well be the best neck, and Ancient is probably comparable to Gorget.
Gorget: 5.0 fTP normally, 5.1 fTP with Gorget = +2% WS damage
Love Torque: 5 DEX (probably 1 base damage) and 7 Attack, with the same or more accuracy for SAM. In case you didn't know, Attack is the secret to pwntastic Penta Thrusts.
Ancient Torque: 4 DEX (maybe 1 base damage) and +2 Acc, which you may or may not need depending on your other gear.

Jin is:
Gorget - 3.0 to 3.1, so 3.33% increase in WS damage.
Torque - 4 DEX (probably 1 base damage and potentially quite a bit of crit rate) and +1 Acc, which again you might not need.

If you have Ancient Torque and are wondering about Gorgets, I certainly wouldn't bother farming two Yovra organs for Shadow Gorget when Ancient is almost as good. Jin really depends on what you're fighting, but you should probably use Ancient if you're fighting weaker monsters (Birds, non-Xarc Dynamis, Limbus, etc) and have a reasonable amount of DEX in your build.


In reference to the bitch-fest above:
We 18-manned Odin with a few dualboxed players on Christmas night '08 less than a month before our LS was devastated by Salvage bans. What of it?

[Pandorablue]

Oh it can certainly be a holdover and I'm not disagreeing, but he mentioned camping Headlong (which is time-intensive) when he could spend that time getting a swift belt (which he should, since it's still a very very worthwhile investment) and just buy/sell headlong belt.

Yeah, I would camp a Swift Belt, but I'm more of a mage, so I don't feel the need to. I wouldn't find camping headlong to be time-intensive because it's a 30 min window every hour.

I should also mention I love camping time/lottery NMs.

[Vodou]

P
If you have Ancient Torque and are wondering about Gorgets, I certainly wouldn't bother farming two Yovra organs for Shadow Gorget when Ancient is almost as good.

This made my day regarding my penta.

[Ciecle]

Tbh Headlong belt isn't as time extensive as swift >.> lol 50% drop rate go?
I'm 2/4 on Headlong and 0/6 Swift I spent 2 hours for my headlong and spent about 7 hours for swift.

*Edit: To answer the question about the headlong vs the other belts, If(since) you don't have swift it'll be better to go for the acc+ at lower levels where there isn't much haste+ in gear. Haste + only does so much if you have little to no acc.

[Eanae]

Also, Eanae, talking in caps to imitate someone in an attempt to make them look either like a retard or member of your LS (Usually the same thing bar 3 or so people) makes you look like the bigger douche. Go back to your wasted life of botting and leave the talking to Wars who actually win parses.

Someone appears to be pretty mad.