What's Better?

[Nameless]

Just curious, in what situation will Simba Buckler be better than Koenig shield when /nin? This is assuming no shield merit. What lvl of mob should be the break point where simba surpass koenig.

Thank you.

[Callisto]

I would think anything that swings relatively fast for smaller amounts of damage it'd be solid for, something where you'd be counting on a higher block rate to keep shadows up more than needing the larger damage reduction from a Size 3.

[leeroyjay]

People say Sea Gorgets give 10 Acc to all hits and +.1 fTP to the first hit.

Honestly, on Penta Thrust Love torque might well be the best neck, and Ancient is probably comparable to Gorget.
Gorget: 5.0 fTP normally, 5.1 fTP with Gorget = +2% WS damage
Love Torque: 5 DEX (probably 1 base damage) and 7 Attack, with the same or more accuracy for SAM. In case you didn't know, Attack is the secret to pwntastic Penta Thrusts.
Ancient Torque: 4 DEX (maybe 1 base damage) and +2 Acc, which you may or may not need depending on your other gear.

Jin is:
Gorget - 3.0 to 3.1, so 3.33% increase in WS damage.
Torque - 4 DEX (probably 1 base damage and potentially quite a bit of crit rate) and +1 Acc, which again you might not need.

If you have Ancient Torque and are wondering about Gorgets, I certainly wouldn't bother farming two Yovra organs for Shadow Gorget when Ancient is almost as good. Jin really depends on what you're fighting, but you should probably use Ancient if you're fighting weaker monsters (Birds, non-Xarc Dynamis, Limbus, etc) and have a reasonable amount of DEX in your build.

Thank you Byrthnoth! This is excellent and useful information!

[Faris]

Chaos Gauntlets +1 or Heca mittens for a full meritted scythe skill DRK and no Justice Torque.

[Andradi]

That depends on your other gear, your food, the mob you're fighting etc.

The basic tradeoff is 1 str (heca) for 4 acc (chaos). Do you need that acc?

[Callisto]

You can probably give up 4 Acc for more than 1 STR in a different slot, I'd stick with the AF+1.

[Faris]

u dont consider the extra DEX on AF+1 for crits? <_>
or am i missing something?

[stewie]

u dont consider the extra DEX on AF+1 for crits? <_>
or am i missing something?

Guillotine can't crit.

[Thorny]

u dont consider the extra DEX on AF+1 for crits? <_>
or am i missing something?

guillotine and insurgency can't crit bro

[Raen Ryong]

If they can be forced to crit, that would be pretty sneaky. Other than that though...

[Nightfyre]

A JP told me you can force it with Sneak Attack.

If they can be forced to crit, that would be pretty sneaky. Other than that though...

Ohohohoho~

[Hitoseijuro]

Just curious, in what situation will Simba Buckler be better than Koenig shield when /nin? This is assuming no shield merit. What lvl of mob should be the break point where simba surpass koenig.

Thank you.

I would assume anywhere where you have slow/elegy on the mob long enough for you to be able to have shadows up 90% of the time. You would use simba buckler(I would wager ppl like it for the proc rate, yes?) for getting off ichi w/o dealing with any interruptions(atleast a good amount, less). It can help while you have 1 shadow, left, ichi is up, and you dont have ni up, start casting, blink out your shadow to get ichi.

There are times where you are in the process of doing that and a mob will DA and swipe your shadow and interrupt you the next. Granted it all depend when your timers become available, as if you do it right, you wont get interrupted, but at times , time isnt on your side and youll have to cast with w/e timing you have.

I would say any time you find that your shadows are being knocked down by speed, or AoEs(non stun/terror types)where you find yourself idling w/o shadows a good amount of time, koenig would mitigate better damage overall.

[Dathus]

Looking at a Magic Damage Taken/Magic Defense Bonus build for if/when I ever tank JoL, and also for when we do ZR boss runs. Looking through the item sets, this is what I found.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=132672

Figure if doing Salvage I'd swap the Resentment Cape for a Lamia Mantle +1. Anything I could really improve? Would it be better to cap out MDT- or go more into MDB?

[Shinryuu]

Am I the only one that thinkss using dalmatica for the MDB is retarded? Unless you have it properly spellcasted, -50 HP is more than the MDB on it prevents. Pretty sure that coral mail prevents more anyway (if you have uncapped MDT, which depends on if you have a WHM etc.)

[Dathus]

I suppose that's true. I was also intending on idling in it for Salvage since Discoid doesn't hurt that much with SS and Phalanx up. Also, if we do ZR only Shell4 for now since our WHM is on BLU for Head Butt on the 5th and 6th frogs, and generic other stuns.

[Nightfyre]

Am I the only one that thinkss using dalmatica for the MDB is retarded? Unless you have it properly spellcasted, -50 HP is more than the MDB on it prevents. Pretty sure that coral mail prevents more anyway (if you have uncapped MDT, which depends on if you have a WHM etc.)

You're not and it does.

I don't advocate the use of Resentment Cape in general as you have to carry gear around for when it's not active anyway. I'd swap in Coral Mail, +1 a couple pieces, use Lamia Mantle +1, and work on HQing the rest for a Shell IV kit.

[pchan]

Resentment cape is a must for everything you do in sea. Shellra V is a must. Why not use them ? I'll use the opposite argument than you : 5/5 coral +1 is useless with shellraV, only legs are good. invo-4.

[Nightfyre]

Resentment cape is a must for everything you do in sea. Shellra V is a must. Why not use them ? I'll use the opposite argument than you : 5/5 coral +1 is useless with shellraV, only legs are good. invo-4.

A must? Fuck no. You might be able to gain 2 MDB through its use; more likely it's an even swap. I'll take the reduced strain on my inventory instead, thanks.

[Dathus]

So for any situation I'd only have Shell4, you'd say I'd be better off using http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=139485 set?

[Nightfyre]

Yes, and swap the neck for something with +HP or something equally useful on it. That resist isn't really going to do anything for you.