What's Better?

[seiji]

Rune chopper + aspir samba?

You lose drain samba, but that increases the amount you cure (thus exp) and will do a lot more damage than pretty much any other option.

Although I will say, I don't know if it would work. If the healing requirements exceeds the TP gain then you could be screwed.

rose strap!! 2attacks +1hit taken is enough TP for CWII, with retaliate you'll get tp faster than waltse timer!

[Nevex]

Whats the best weapon for a War/dnc to use in campaign to gain tp quick enough to successfully blood tank non-nm's?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/ff...inship_Axe.png

You can also use Full Break to weaken mobs, works wonders with this weapon.

Edit: Never mind, already been suggested. Still, doesn't take that long to kill normal campaign mobs with this.

[Byrthnoth]

If you have Virtue stones and Fort Axe or or (I assume) Balestarius, I'd say those might be better options. Kinship axe perhaps hits more and makes you a little more survivable than Fort Axe at least (Drain Samba II), but you do much worse damage. TP gain is less of an issue than Waltz Recast/-PDT% in my experience, and you want to optimize your damage. Kinship gains a little over Fort/Balestarius on WS frequency, but loses on DoT bigtime. Assuming 30/50/20, it's comparable to a D57 Great Axe. Fort is comparable to a D100 GAxe if you assume 50/50 and Balestarius (whose distribution I don't have any clue about) is comparable to a D132 GAxe with a 50/50 distribution.

I still want to get my hands on a Balestarius, but I've only seen one sold ever.

[fab]

whats better dps wise for dnc

Machismo /papilio kirpan (blank Machismo)
or
ermins tail / Cinquedea

in acc caped situations for dual dagger . no saberdance

[Byrthnoth]

Papilio Kirpan/Machismo (get some evoliths) would be best in my opinion, as long as it works in the offhand.

[Nishida]

1/5 Paralyze II vs. Paralyze -- considering same gear being cast with both. is the difference big enough to put a merit into it?

I ask because I want to have Slow II and Bio III capped, but was considering doing 4/5 Slow II and 1/5 Para II.

[Positive]

1/5 Paralyze II vs. Paralyze -- considering same gear being cast with both. is the difference big enough to put a merit into it?

I did 1/5 Paralyze II purely so people won't overwrite my MND geared paralyze wearing a full enfeebling magic set. It's not like I keep an active log of paralyze procs, but I haven't seen any noticeable boost in proc-rate between the two.



Is there any reason to still attempt to get Gnadbod's Helm for SAM if I already have MKD hat? Are there any situations where Gnadbod's will outperform MKD?

[drwaffles]

1/5 Paralyze II vs. Paralyze -- considering same gear being cast with both. is the difference big enough to put a merit into it?

From personal experience I'd say Paralyze II is inherently more potent, but not by very much. Considering deleting my Paralyze II merit - it's just too expensive MP-wise to bother using over Paralyze in 99% of situations. In fact the only time I ever use it is on Rapido, really.

[Shamaya]

I looked into some of the past few pages but my curiosity on Sam DPS was not quenched. Here's my question:

What's better - Tomoe VS Hagun
Place: Mamool Merits (let's pretend no puks either)
Buffs: Pizza+1, 2xMarch/Haste, Corsair's + Chaos (let's consider both with and w/out Drk in PT)
Etc: Capped merits, 8GK, 8Pole. Access to perfect gear outside of AV/PW drops.
Sub: Whichever favors the best weapon for maximum DPS

I know well how powerful polearm is against colibri/piercing mobs. But the concept of pole Sam outside of a piercing situation is very new to me. I understand the basic concepts involved, but I lack personal experience and detailed knowledge of the math involved to be able to say anything.

So seriously, Hagun vs Tomoe for mamool merits.
Naturally I'm interested in other applications, but I'm interested in how the two hash out in that scenario, as a base of comparison.

[Byrthnoth]

What do you guys think about the R/Ex GKT Unshomaru (Lyft GKT) in a full party? D81, 450 delay. It has been shown to have STR+4 and STP+4, and the Crossbow has been shown to give TP bonus between 40 and 50 (author guessed 48 ). If the GKT also has 48 TP bonus, my maf guesses it would be very competitive with Hagun in full party situations, especially for people with Usu body as it lets you go full Haste (Turban, Dusk, Haidate, Fumas) with Sword Strap.

Anyone care to do the math? I've done it, but would like to withhold it until someone else has worked it out with different numbers.

[FailureMidgard]

What do you guys think about the R/Ex GKT Unshomaru (Lyft GKT) in a full party? D81, 450 delay. It has been shown to have STR+4 and STP+4, and the Crossbow has been shown to give TP bonus between 40 and 50 (author guessed 48 ). If the GKT also has 48 TP bonus, my maf guesses it would be very competitive with Hagun in full party situations, especially for people with Usu body as it lets you go full Haste (Turban, Dusk, Haidate, Fumas) with Sword Strap.

Anyone care to do the math? I've done it, but would like to withhold it until someone else has worked it out with different numbers.

11.1 TP/hit base, 25+10+5+1+6+4=51 STP, 1.51*11.1=16.7, 16.7*5=83.5, 100-83.5=16.5.
16.5/11.1=49 STP on WS...25+10+5+1+4=45. 1.45*11.1=16.
Looks to me like you are short some storeTP?
Am I missing something here? Or just planning to WS in Usu body or something?

[Byrthnoth]

11.1 TP/hit base, 25+10+5+1+6+4=51 STP, 1.51*11.1=16.7, 16.7*5=83.5, 100-83.5=16.5.
16.5/11.1=49 STP on WS...25+10+5+1+4=45. 1.45*11.1=16.
Looks to me like you are short some storeTP?
Am I missing something here? Or just planning to WS in Usu body or something?

Was dreaming about Hachiman feet +1. Well, NQ work too and you can augment 2 STR onto them.

Edit: I was talking more about the damage comparison.

[FailureMidgard]

Was dreaming about Hachiman feet +1. Well, NQ work too and you can augment 2 STR onto them.

Eh, if you want to start assuming 2STR augments for a general thing (unless you actually own them and WS in them either way), may as well assume +1D on Hagun and such as well...I guess we can assume HQ for now, though that appears to be a T0.

So:

Hagun: -1 or +4 attack, +7acc TP phase. +100TP WS.
Lyft: +7D, +1% haste TP phase. +6D (+1 rank), +4STR, +48TP WS.

Assuming: Marchx2, Haste, Acc Capped, 75 base STR, +8-9 fSTR on TP (bird calculation zomg).

TPonly, Lyft gains +7/(75+8 ) ~= 8.5% increase
TP+WS, Lyft gains 1/.43 > 1/.42 = 2.326 > 2.381 ~= 2.4% increase
WSonly, Lyft gains (4*.75*.83 + 1)/(75+16+139*.83*.75) = ~3.5/(75+16+86.5)=3.5/117.5=3% increase
WSonly, Hagun gains (1.975 - 1.8125) / 1.8125 = 9% increase.

So, Lyft has +10.9% TP damage vs Hagun with a +3.1% WS damage.
x=26%, so if TP damage is >=26% of your total damage, then Lyft wins.

I ignored attack pretty much everywhere...you need Dusk Ledelsens +1 for Lyft to win on attack on TP phase. Hagun already wins on attack on WS phase with Rutters regardless of the STR on Lyft. I already ignored accuracy from Usu shoes (you may be 1-2 under cap even).

So, I dunno, Lyft wins assuming capped accuracy (using no accuracy gear...Justice Torque, Cerb+1, etc), Dusk Ledelsens +1, no Sam roll, and ignoring TP overflow. Also, this is without meditate calculations, which will skew it in Hagun's favor. In the end, I think Hagun will win in most realistic situations.

{Edit: Oops, I messed up}

[Byrthnoth]

Ok, that's about what I got. I don't think you use Sword Strap in your calculations, unless I'm mistaken?

After Vanafest, my first impulse was that Hagun would be potentially outdated so it'd be wise to advise friends to sell. Unshomaru looks like the second best GKT for non-HNMs assuming it gives the unconfirmed 48 TP bonus. It seems possible to me that it gives 4 STP *instead* of 48 TP bonus, but I haven't confirmed it and wouldn't be able to unless I both got one and leveled SAM to 73. Assuming you can add damage onto it and Hagun at the same rate via the Trial thing, Hagun would outstrip it in not too much time.

[FailureMidgard]

Ok, that's about what I got. I don't think you use Sword Strap in your calculations, unless I'm mistaken?

After Vanafest, my first impulse was that Hagun would be potentially outdated so it'd be wise to advise friends to sell. Unshomaru looks like the second best GKT for non-HNMs assuming it gives the unconfirmed 48 TP bonus. It seems possible to me that it gives 4 STP *instead* of 48 TP bonus, but I haven't confirmed it and wouldn't be able to unless I both got one and leveled SAM to 73. Assuming you can add damage onto it and Hagun at the same rate via the Trial thing, Hagun would outstrip it in not too much time.

I used Sword Strap in both, so I just left it as a constant. I gave the Lyft 1% more haste on feet. Hagun: Sword/Dusk+1/Usufeet. Lyft: Sword/Dusk+1/3%feet.
In fact, if you have less haste gear (no Vbelt, or no Dusk+1, that favors Hagun here also).

Anyway, it doesn't seem really worth it either way.

[Talisien]

Drk AF2 cape -- in general, is this ever the right choice for multi-hit scythe WS versus Forager's?

Shit's situational, but I thought if I ever needed that kind of acc, it meant I was eating the wrong food. Am I operating under an incorrect assumption?

[FailureMidgard]

Drk AF2 cape -- in general, is this ever the right choice for multi-hit scythe WS versus Forager's?

Shit's situational, but I thought if I ever needed that kind of acc, it meant I was eating the wrong food. Am I operating under an incorrect assumption?

Really depends on the rest of your gear, and merits. It's also not bad having a high accuracy setup for multi-hit WSes. As much as I've hated on Ace's Helm, I do use it vs high evasion targets, or when blinded, so you could use it in those situations.

Anyway, generally food should cover - but 14 acc for 15attack3str is a pretty decent trade-off, so if you can drop accuracy elsewhere, it may be the right call anyway, depending on the target and how much accuracy you have / can drop in other slots.

[Benz]

hello, recently god a cuchelain's mantle, and have a few questions about its use on monk, mainly for salvage. i use pizza +1, full h2h merits, and gear is as follows:
tp-
destroyers/--/--/astrolabe
turban/faith(or pcc)/ merman's/brutal
togi/bando's/rajas/uthalams
cuchelain's/BB/byakko/fuma's

WS:
destroyers/--/--/astrolabe
shura/faith(or pcc)/ merman's/ethereal
osode/bando's/rajas/uthalams
cuchelain's/BB/shura/denali

should I asuran in shura/amemet+1? side note, faith or pcc? do i need to camp a virtuoso belt? side side note, do i need to get hades sainti for chariots? generally any critique welcome

[pchan]

hello, recently god a cuchelain's mantle, and have a few questions about its use on monk, mainly for salvage. i use pizza +1, full h2h merits, and gear is as follows:
tp-
destroyers/--/--/astrolabe
turban/faith(or pcc)/ merman's/brutal
togi/bando's/rajas/uthalams
cuchelain's/BB/byakko/fuma's

WS:
destroyers/--/--/astrolabe
shura/faith(or pcc)/ merman's/ethereal
osode/bando's/rajas/uthalams
cuchelain's/BB/shura/denali

should I asuran in shura/amemet+1? side note, faith or pcc? do i need to camp a virtuoso belt? side side note, do i need to get hades sainti for chariots? generally any critique welcome

with pizza, using cuchu and pcc is a waste, except maybe on arrapago boss.

[Benz]

you mean both at once or at all?