What's Better?

[Nightfyre]

1 STR, 30 Attack, and 2% WSDMG vs 28 DEX (capping dDEX) for Vorpal Blade?

EDIT: iFail at remembering augments. Make that 25 Attack.

[homerun]

For Guillotine: I've got a flame ring and a Rajas, but I also have two ruby rings augmented with 3mnd each. What's the best combo here for damage?

[pchan]

So Usu > hachi when cratio is capped? (based on the new findings, I imagine). Different if cratio is uncapped, no? Or am I not reading your math properly?

if cratio is capped att does nothing so either usu or osode. The example I gave was almost at cap and is frequent in meripo.



edit : there is a reason you don't see 1300 asuran fists in meripos. I don't think I've seen a lot of 1k+ either, with or without cor.

[Ciecle]

Mirke Wardecors (Str +5, Dex +5, Acc+10, Fast Cast +5) w/ Loq. Earring,

or

Magus Jubbah +1 (Str+5, Dex+5, Magic Skill +15) w/ Suppanomimi.

This is for spells like Disseverment, and Frenetic Rip.

Normal usage, Sole Sushi,
/nin
Spell setup
Perdu | Beast
Anwig(Str+4 Dex+4) | Kubira | Minuet | ?
? | Mirage Bazubands* | Ruby Ring | Rajas Ring
Smilodon Mantle +1 | Warwolf | Magus Shalwar +1* | RSE62(Creek M Clomps)

Granted I'll have both due to using Mirke with /nin and loq. for fast cast/haste gear for Utsu...

* Enkidu isn't there since I do not have them yet.

[noodles355]

some of you should NOT be playing rdm if you can't figure this shit out.
mahatma 99% of the time

Thanks, I still am terrible with int vs MaB for mages. Still a newbie unmerited rdm, and is my only proper mage.

Oh well, at least that means I'll have no use for Shadow and wont spend points on it.

[Nightfyre]

Mirke Wardecors (Str +5, Dex +5, Acc+10, Fast Cast +5) w/ Loq. Earring,

or

Magus Jubbah +1 (Str+5, Dex+5, Magic Skill +15) w/ Suppanomimi.

This is for spells like Disseverment, and Frenetic Rip.

Normal usage, Sole Sushi,
/nin
Spell setup
Perdu | Beast
Anwig(Str+4 Dex+4) | Kubira | Minuet | ?
? | Mirage Bazubands* | Ruby Ring | Rajas Ring
Smilodon Mantle +1 | Warwolf | Magus Shalwar +1* | RSE62(Creek M Clomps)

Granted I'll have both due to using Mirke with /nin and loq. for fast cast/haste gear for Utsu...

* Enkidu isn't there since I do not have them yet.

Magus +1 always, the damage boost from skill tiers + the STR and DEX outweighs anything else available for physical spells.

[Andradi]

Last I asked about Death Blossom WS set I was told hands should be Goliard. Currently using Pallas as I had'em laying around on a mule. Should I change Pallas to Morrigan's cuffs or leave as is with Pallas for WS onry?

Joyeuse/Sentinel's/x/RSE Satchet
Voyager's/Gorget/Brutal/Triumph
Nashmira/?/Flame/Rajas
Foragers/Warwolf/Paluwhan/Rutters

No other Goliard pieces, or Morrigan's atm. Still working on getting some to put out.

For feet I would expect Ogre +1 to beat Rutter's.

For hands, Pallas is a good low-acc option (for most situations you'd be using DB I suspect?) for higher acc Wise gloves (and their +1) are a good option (not sure if more damage than morrigan/goliard or not), Devotee's +1 if you want more mind and no Acc. I don't know if they're more damage than pallas or not.

No mathologist but aqua ring might be better than flame? Get someone to check that out.

[Fridell]

For Guillotine: I've got a flame ring and a Rajas, but I also have two ruby rings augmented with 3mnd each. What's the best combo here for damage?

Depends on the rest of your gear and what you're fighting, details please.
Flame / Rajas when you have ACC high enough to land Guillotine with safety, Sniper/+1/other ACC Rings + Rajas in other cases, fuck the MND stat. Also Flame/Rajas during Diabolic Eye.

[Thorny]

Depends on the rest of your gear and what you're fighting, details please.
Flame / Rajas when you have ACC high enough to land Guillotine with safety, Sniper/+1/other ACC Rings + Rajas in other cases, fuck the MND stat. Also Flame/Rajas during Diabolic Eye.

3 mnd will unconditionally beat 1 str, and will also beat rajas under capped acc..

[Beave]

For Guillotine: I've got a flame ring and a Rajas, but I also have two ruby rings augmented with 3mnd each. What's the best combo here for damage?

I'd recommend INT rings. No point in damaging anything if you aren't intelligent!

[noodles355]

Ranger:
Currently using an Augment Bow: DMG:72 Delay:540 Str+4 Ratt+11 WSAcc+13. Needs 10STP for 6 Hit. Done with Rose Strap, Brutal Earring and Rajas, for 6 hit /war or /nin.

Have some more gil to spare now though, considering a Hellfire+1

Conbined delay is 880 so TP/hit should be 17.1, needs 17STP for 5 Hit. Eventually could do that Mekki(or rose+brutal) + rajas + skadi legs, untill then can /Sam. with 20 TP/hit, no TP from meditate would be wasted either.

I could also try and evolith the HF+1 for a decent WS: Ratt+ augment.

Basically, untill I get mekki+skadi, do you think HF+1 5 Hit /Sam or Augment bow 6 hit /War would be better?

I don't perticularly want to drop 1mil+ on it if it's not a lot better. Not like rng gets much action except Odin, and occasionally a few other things.

[Beave]

Ranger:
Currently using an Augment Bow: DMG:72 Delay:540 Str+4 Ratt+11 WSAcc+13. Needs 10STP for 6 Hit. Done with Rose Strap, Brutal Earring and Rajas, for 6 hit /war or /nin.

Have some more gil to spare now though, considering a Hellfire+1

Conbined delay is 880 so TP/hit should be 17.1, needs 17STP for 5 Hit. Eventually could do that Mekki(or rose+brutal) + rajas + skadi legs, untill then can /Sam. with 20 TP/hit, no TP from meditate would be wasted either.

I could also try and evolith the HF+1 for a decent WS: Ratt+ augment.

Basically, untill I get mekki+skadi, do you think HF+1 5 Hit /Sam or Augment bow 6 hit /War would be better?

I don't perticularly want to drop 1mil+ on it if it's not a lot better. Not like rng gets much action except Odin, and occasionally a few other things.

Honestly it comes down to your personal preference. High points of having 5 hit is obviously more damage over the same amount of time (assuming your acc isn't poo), /sam gives the added bonus of meditate and survivability options if you take hate. 6 hit /war is something you already have, and theoretically should do more damage on ws.

If you only use rng for odin/ixion, then maybe just spend the gil elsewhere on another upgrade until you get skadi/mekki.

[Fridell]

3 mnd will unconditionally beat 1 str, and will also beat rajas under capped acc..

Since when did someone figure 3 MND beats 1 STR for this? I've never heard it before, then again I've not been active on BG since I left game. Genuinely interested.

[noodles355]

Honestly it comes down to your personal preference. High points of having 5 hit is obviously more damage over the same amount of time (assuming your acc isn't poo), /sam gives the added bonus of meditate and survivability options if you take hate. 6 hit /war is something you already have, and theoretically should do more damage on ws.

If you only use rng for odin/ixion, then maybe just spend the gil elsewhere on another upgrade until you get skadi/mekki.

Thanks for the advice, yeah I think that's what I'll do. In the end I decided to spent the gil on a SH+1 for thf eva set and 2 merman's rings for Ixion spear set...

[Xno Kappa]

Fuck it, I'll eat the whoosh. When and where did someone figure out 3MND > 1STR for Guillotine?

[Amok]

I dunno if it was ever posted and unequivocally proven, but
1 STR: +.25 to base damage from mods and a chance of adding 1 to your base dmg from fSTR function.
3 MND: +.75 to base damage from mods

so at best +1.25 vs +0.75
and at worst +0.25 vs +0.75
Being unrealistically generous and assuming you'll get fSTR bonus 50% of the time then the two options are equal (disregarding +.5 ATK). However, since the chances of getting fSTR are going to be lower than that, +3 MND wins.

Please correct me if I'm wrong! XD

[Ashmada]

It's actually 5 MND vs 1 STR, Flame having -2 MND (same difference as Nfeet vs AF+1, but without the 2 Acc).

Depending on your STR, your MND and the mob's VIT, Flame Ring can give you :
- 1 BD (37.5% likelihood)
- 2 BD (50% likelihood)
- 3 BD (12.5% likelihood)

Unaugmented Ruby :
- 1 BD (~33% likelihood)
- 2 BD (~67% likelihood)

Ruby with MND+3 :
- 2 BD (~84% likelihood)
- 3 BD (~16% likelihood)


To answer Homerun : Rajas/Aug Ruby.

[Fridell]

Flame Rings for DRK is stupid regardless. Triumph only.
But this with MND augmented Ruby seems pretty interesting I must say.

[Ashmada]

Flame Rings for DRK is stupid regardless. Triumph only.
But this with MND augmented Ruby seems pretty interesting I must say.

Depends on the rest of your gear and what you're fighting, details please.
Flame / Rajas when you have ACC high enough to land Guillotine with safety, Sniper/+1/other ACC Rings + Rajas in other cases, fuck the MND stat. Also Flame/Rajas during Diabolic Eye.

Compute, this does not.

[Raen Ryong]

Flame is good if you're using Gswrd WS!