What's Better?

[noodles355]

At level 20 Pizza will probably give less than 10 Accuracy. But it's Att bonus is pretty large (20%) so will give you around 20ish att. It's going to be similar to rice dumplings.

The best really low level food is easilly Ambrosia. 7Str 7Dex 7Att 7Acc.

For normal foods, in the 10-20s you really want to stick to something with +25%ish att. Dhalmel pie/steak would be good. Attack foods are much more potent compared to acc foods at low level, this is why it's better to wer nothing than to wear optical earring in the dunes, and also why Mighty Rings >>>>>>>> Vision Rings.

Sushi at low level is most definitely fail.

[Juravial]

At level 20 Pizza will probably give less than 10 Accuracy. But it's Att bonus is pretty large (20%) so will give you around 20ish att. It's going to be similar to rice dumplings.

The best really low level food is easilly Ambrosia. 7Str 7Dex 7Att 7Acc.

I agree completely, so if pizza is comparable in its similarity to rice dumplings (I estimated at level 12 pizza gave me +5 accuracy and goes up 1 point of accuracy every 3 levels if gear remains unchanged), and its attack bonus is also comparable (20% vs. 20%), then pizza is the better option being that it is cheaper.

edit: if you really want that +str and other random stats from rice dumplings, and its worth the extra cost to you, be my guest.

Roughly 5k for 6 hours of pizza, and ~10k for 6 hours of rice dumplings.

Remember that pizza doesn't modify ranged attack, though, so if you are a ranged attacker, get rice dumplings (and for that matter, I highly suggest dumplings for thf and spam x-bow bolts for the first 30 levels of your thf).

Following that line of thinking, also, Ambrosia would be good up until around level 18, where the increase in attack (approx. 26 vs. ambrosia's 7) will cancel out the +7 str. that ambrosia gives in terms of how much damage you will do to mobs.

Ambrosia would still shine in the accuracy department, with +9 accuracy for one handed users and +12 accuracy for 2 handed users, until you reach level 21 (where pizza will give 9 accuracy to one handed users) or level 30 for 2 handed users, where pizza would give +12 accuracy. Still, if you're using ambrosia specifically for its accuracy at level 30 *cringes* adjust your priorities maybe? ^_^

All speculation is based on base stats of a hume, crap gear, and having at least a "b-" rank in weapon used. Obviously this may work slightly against you if your race has lower or higher str, or lower or higher dex, but adjust accordingly to situations such as "oh i'm a mithra, I have slightly higher dex than that hume, I'll switch from ambrosia to pizza ~1 level earlier than suggested to get max results out of pizza" or "I have pimp low level gear, so I can switch out a little earlier b/c I'll get more out of this food than that."

[Khajit]

I'm actually leveling up a job (in this case, it was thf, then drk) on juravial while using tatjiana as a synch-whore. thf never got party invites, and after around 67 I stopped trying to make parties. Drk...still doesn't have the best invite track record, even if I comment that I'll /thf and TA my ws's onto the tank.

Also, you have to like...wait in line almost to summon burn on carby, and of course, with 2 characters and rdm up on one of them, I have to be one of the idiots that runs around linking a crapton of mobs...maybe if I was one of the smns that just got a call once every hour or so to use 2 hour. Maybe I'm just lazy

There is so much wrong with that statement. The ONLY time trick attack should EVER be used in a party is if a thf is in it. ALso tanks are outdated blah blah. Perhaps your pt problems are excerbated by the fact that people are seeing you talk of trick attacking tanks.

[Taruking]

There is so much wrong with that statement. The ONLY time trick attack should EVER be used in a party is if a thf is in it. ALso tanks are outdated blah blah. Perhaps your pt problems are excerbated by the fact that people are seeing you talk of trick attacking tanks.

There is nothing wrong with THF sub. From lv60+, I sub THF on MNK/DRG/DRK/SAM in pickup party fighting colibri in B.thickets. The biggest advantage is you don't have to worry about food getting stolen, also help PLD tank hold hate better. Works really well with SAM cuz you can save up 200 TP, TA WS on tank and run around to SA WS without pulling hate.

[Thorny]

There is nothing wrong with THF sub. From lv60+, I sub THF on MNK/DRG/DRK/SAM in pickup party fighting colibri in B.thickets. The biggest advantage is you don't have to worry about food getting stolen, also help PLD tank hold hate better. Works really well with SAM cuz you can save up 200 TP, TA WS on tank and run around to SA WS without pulling hate.

Why are you still allowed to post here?

Using a space on a PLD is lowering your group's damage output because it costs you a space you could be using on a DD. A samurai can provoke and has seigan, realistically they'll take less damage than a paladin while dealing significantly more.

[Clerix]

Not everyone astral burns all of their jobs to 75, Thorny. Some people actually play the game to have fun, and some people think that having fun = EXPing.

Edit: Not backing that guy up. I'm just saying some people invite PLDs because they're still stuck in 2008, but what ever, it's a game meant to be played however people want to play it.

[Taruking]

Why are you still allowed to post here?

Using a space on a PLD is lowering your group's damage output because it costs you a space you could be using on a DD. A samurai can provoke and has seigan, realistically they'll take less damage than a paladin while dealing significantly more.

Seriously do you even read my post with your glasses on?

I sub THF on MNK/DRG/DRK/SAM in PICKUP party fighting colibri in B.thickets.

Unless you make your own party, you never know who is in it, or how well geared the melee are. I have leveled both NIN and PLD to lv75 and I have the least intention to tank in any exp party. Also how do you know a tanking SAM/WAR is going to do better than a well played SAM/THF with proper food who get to keep Hasso up 100% of the time?

Quit whining and don't get butthurted because you got thrashed in the melee Ouryu thread.

[Nightfyre]

I saw MNK/THF and stopped reading.

[Darkmagi]

There is never a good reason to sub THF in an exp party.

[Byrthnoth]

He's right though, tanks are a waste of space and on average SAM/WARs take less damage with Seigan+3E than PLD/WARs from 50 to 75 at least. Not to mention that they do more damage and you can find plenty of them.

/THF is a relic of a bygone era where people WSed less than once per minute and there were tank jobs at every event. I wasn't going to say anything because I didn't know if it would matter, but specifically putting it in a comment would definitely reduce the odds that I would invite you. Just say something like "@____xp || >55 Level Sync OK/MMM OK, East Ronfarue (S) OK/>^,^< Tarutaru Power"

[Thorny]

Seriously do you even read my post with your glasses on?

I DONT WEAR GLASSES LOL

Unless you make your own party, you never know who is in it, or how well geared the melee are.

Problem #1.

I have leveled both NIN and PLD to lv75 and I have the least intention to tank in any exp party. Also how do you know a tanking SAM/WAR is going to do better than a well played SAM/THF with proper food who get to keep Hasso up 100% of the time?

If you can keep hasso up 100% of the time, you're killing at most one mob per minute(TA recast) and doing pretty terrible damage if you can't still pull hate. As a result, your party must suck.

Quit whining and don't get butthurted because you got thrashed in the melee Ouryu thread.

Man, you're almost as arrogant as I am. Shame you're fucking clueless..

[Khajit]

There is nothing wrong with THF sub. From lv60+, I sub THF on MNK/DRG/DRK/SAM in pickup party fighting colibri in B.thickets. The biggest advantage is you don't have to worry about food getting stolen, also help PLD tank hold hate better. Works really well with SAM cuz you can save up 200 TP, TA WS on tank and run around to SA WS without pulling hate.

Get. Out. Now.
A. if you seriously "need" sata that badly there are thieves swarming all over the place lfp who WILL outdamage you and probably plant more hate onto a tank if they SAWS.
B. if food is stolen eat more food. The fact that you care about it indicated that you are a person i dont want anywhere near any party im in even more. There are some very cheap foods in Ah by the name of crab sushi that you should be buying.
C.noone gives a shit about hate in good parties anymore so long as it isnt on the mage or brd. Plds are just there for pretending they're useful when really they're nothing but a giant mp sponge if played the way people who invite plds want them to play.
D.know whats even easier/better than saving 200tp? Wsing at 100 and getting another 100 even faster since you got the tpreturn from earlier. And yet again, noone gives a shit if you pull hate. that's what shadows and/or third eye is for.

Wait a sec. DId you seriously say you use drg/thf and mnk/thf? Im even ignoring the other jobs where you gimped the fuck out of everything by subbing thf. What the hell?

[Thorny]

Not everyone astral burns all of their jobs to 75, Thorny. Some people actually play the game to have fun, and some people think that having fun = EXPing.

Hey dipshit, where did I say ANYTHING about astralburning? Shit, I'm leveling my current job the 'normal' way, for the hell of it. I know you're butthurt that nobody on Remora liked you and you had to run off once people found out you were playing Unspeakable's account.. but seriously, at least bring up points relevant to the discussion if you have to blindly bash me.

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[AidenCarby]

/thf :/

[pchan]

He's right though, tanks are a waste of space and on average SAM/WARs take less damage with Seigan+3E than PLD/WARs from 50 to 75 at least. Not to mention that they do more damage and you can find plenty of them.

So ? People have various jobs to level up, if you go the "pld sux because dmg sux" way, you'll not invite 50% (90%?) of the "DD" jobs, incl for instance THF. When I leveled mnk the few PLDs I had subbed nin and ate sushi for "dd". It's much better than turtle PLD imo, and if you go sam/war anyway they won't fear getting food stolen. This doesn't change the fact that /thf is stupid and /nin is better for all/most DDs(=tanks).

[Thorny]

So ? People have various jobs to level up, if you go the "pld sux because dmg sux" way, you'll not invite 50% (90%?) of the "DD" jobs, incl for instance THF. When I leveled mnk the few PLDs I had subbed nin and ate sushi for "dd". It's much better than turtle PLD imo, and if you go sam/war anyway they won't fear getting food stolen. This doesn't change the fact that /thf is stupid and /nin is better for all/most DDs(=tanks).

Are you really saying a PLD/NIN with dd gear will hold hate off a SAM/WAR anywhere post-penta? I don't understand french.

[AidenCarby]

Are you really saying a PLD/NIN with dd gear will hold hate off a SAM/WAR anywhere post-penta? I don't understand french.

If they invincible, duh.

[Byrthnoth]

If I'm trying to get xp, I don't make a party if I don't think there's a party to be made that I want to be in. I value the freedom given by soloing enough that I don't readily trade it for anything less than a good party. In my definition, Paladins and Thieves aren't in good parties.

[pchan]

Are you really saying a PLD/NIN with dd gear will hold hate off a SAM/WAR anywhere post-penta? I don't understand french.

No, I meant pld/nin will not get their food stolen if they don't steal hate so they will be able to do damage. Now, sterile debate. WHO exp in normal exp parties nowadays ? Nobody. Campaign for 2 hours, then double fov and you'll get your 10k exp. Not efficient ? Sure, enjoy LFP for 3H waiting for 4 decent sam/war and a brd to pop up, and end up disbanding because colibri camp are taken.

[tonystigma]

/THF is only useful to keep the mob off you if you don't have /NIN. It's gimpier.