What's Better?

[Taruking]

Scroll up to read Juravial's post, the whole discussion was based on fact that both Juravial and I DO NOT want to make our own exp party thus have no control over party setup. I didn't say subbing THF is most efficient setup from damage point of view but it does have its use.

To begin with, SAM/THF get to eat food and keep Hasso up all the time. Pizza gives you attack and acc bonus, SA WS guarantees to land and give you 200+ damage bonus, it's also quite MP efficient since SAM/THF won't be taking damage. If you get invited to a substandard party consisting of melees who sux and PLD who can't hold hate for shit, you will end up tanking most of the time and still getting lousy exp/hr. Why would you risk putting yourself in such an aweful position when you can just sub THF and let PLD do all the tanking?

[AidenCarby]

Agreeing with Pchan on the 3hour lfp bs. I find it easier to just smn burn something and skill it up later during besieged or something. Other than that I try to only merit with the linkshell, some pugs can get ugly :/

[Thorny]

Juravial and I DO NOT want to make our own exp party thus have no control over party setup

Enjoy your mediocrity.

To begin with, SAM/THF get to eat food and keep Hasso up all the time. Pizza gives you attack and acc bonus, SA WS guarantees to land and give you 200+ damage bonus, it's also quite MP efficient since SAM/THF won't be taking damage.

SA penta gives damage at all comparable to berserk? Or do we no longer use polearms in exp parties?

If you get invited to a substandard party consisting of melees who sux and PLD who can't hold hate for shit, you will end up tanking most of the time and still getting lousy exp/hr. Why would you risk putting yourself in such an aweful position when you can just sub THF and let PLD do all the tanking?

Because if you do more damage and your party takes less damage you get more exp in a given time period?

No back piece? And nice stoic earring. I know you're a taru but really, you should know HP gear is worthless for XP.

Intruder, same reasoning as no back piece, don't have the space to waste on gear that won't make a difference :s Got merman's at 63, brutal/fowling at appropriate levels, amemet+1/cuch at 61/74.

WHO exp in normal exp parties nowadays ? Nobody.

I spent 25 minutes making a party this morning, got 45k exp in 2 hours to bring SAM from 57-60, then disbanded. That doesn't count I guess, we didn't have a PLD..

[AidenCarby]

No back piece? And nice stoic earring. I know you're a taru but really, you should know HP gear is worthless for XP.

You missed the nq pcc.

[noodles355]

No, I meant pld/nin will not get their food stolen if they don't steal hate so they will be able to do damage. Now, sterile debate. WHO exp in normal exp parties nowadays ? Nobody. Campaign for 2 hours, then double fov and you'll get your 10k exp. Not efficient ? Sure, enjoy LFP for 3H waiting for 4 decent sam/war and a brd to pop up, and end up disbanding because colibri camp are taken.

MMM

[AidenCarby]

Touche

[noodles355]

Intruder, same reasoning as no back piece, don't have the space to waste on gear that won't make a difference :s Got merman's at 63, brutal/fowling at appropriate levels, amemet+1/cuch at 61/74.

Jaguar Mantle? Exactitude Mantle +1? Accura Cape +1?

[Taruking]

Enjoy your mediocrity.

SA penta gives damage at all comparable to berserk? Or do we no longer use polearms in exp parties?


Because if you do more damage and your party takes less damage you get more exp in a given time period?

Ppl do have a life and not everyone must exp in BRD + COR LS party. Being able to adjust your playstyle based on party setup shows your ability to adapt to different situations (including the shitty ones).

Have you actually exp on DRG/THF and run parse to show it does less damage than DRG/SAM or DRG/WAR in a lv60 exp party? You are judging the job based on your experience with lv75 jobs and it doesn't always apply to low level party. You don't always get BRD or COR. You dont' have access to the best melee gear yet, and food effect does play a huge part in low level party.

The most important mod for penta is not attack but accuracy, DRG/THF who get to eat food (pizza anyone?) will have more consistent penta than DRG/WAR, not to mention you get + attack all the time and don't have to worry about Berserk cooldown.

[Dooom]

The most important mod for penta is not attack but accuracy, DRG/THF who get to eat food (pizza anyone?) will have more consistent penta than DRG/WAR, not to mention you get + attack all the time and don't have to worry about Berserk cooldown.

Where are you getting +attack from? From food? Guess what. When I levelled drg, I could pull hate just from normal TP hits. Ditto for polearm samurai. If you have decent gear, you can easily pull hate through TPing on birds with polearm even without brd + cor buffs.

Also, nice attempt at using the RL card. /thf in exp sucks, the bonus from SA only applies to the first hit, stop arguing now, you're only making yourself look worse. Know what going /thf to a shit party does? Makes the party even worse.

[Clerix]

Hey dipshit, where did I say ANYTHING about astralburning? Shit, I'm leveling my current job the 'normal' way, for the hell of it. I know you're butthurt that nobody on Remora liked you and you had to run off once people found out you were playing Unspeakable's account.. but seriously, at least bring up points relevant to the discussion if you have to blindly bash me.

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[Thorny]

Jaguar Mantle? Exactitude Mantle +1? Accura Cape +1?

if 5 attack on a spike earring doesn't make enough difference for me, not sure how 3 on jaguar mantle does

I always have BRD+COR and was at capped accuracy all of this party, nobody's going to support accura+1 allowing meat over crab sushi, so really it's 8 attack vs 2 inventory.. which really isn't a great tradeoff to me(esp considering the earring only lasts 8 levels and the cape 14)

not that it's the place to argue this anyway

[Juravial]

In response to a few people who question normal party setups, the reason why I /thf with drk is because I really like using souleater/last resort, just before the mob gets to camp, and TAing a really good ws onto the pld, who then doesn't have to worry about the SAM/WAR or w/e that I invited to the party stealing hate.

My wife actually usually plays PLD (she likes paladin alot, and is geared nicely to not be an mp sponge), and my friend ora plays rdm, and sealing the hate on PLD makes for a nice, steady exp session @ around 13-15k/hour at pre-merit colibri settings that doesn't stress the rdm out.

@Pchan, As to why I don't campaign, then take my 2 FOV...well, as per your earlier post, it does seem slightly inefficient. Plus (and this is not hating on you, I'm sure you have friends as well, and I read alot about you liking to lowman stuff) I have a lot of friends who I really love to hang out with for 2-3 hours in a stress-free party and just laugh about current events and talk or w/e. I take my 35k exp for the night and don't really complain most of the time.

Ooh, and I *love* being able to use coeurl sautees and not having them stolen on drk.

@Khajit, Most of the party problems I was referencing comes from me getting up early on friday/saturday morning, and not getting invited b/c friends aren't up, that's why I was making those low level-sync parties. Actually, I've never ever gotten one complaint about me TAing the tank. The healers are happy, the plds have no problem with it, and the other DDs use it as an excuse to go all out and try to rip hate after TA WS, so they are happy too. And they get to keep their food! Everybody wins, right?

[Thorny]

If subbing THF allows you to use food you otherwise wouldn't have been able to, you aren't putting out very much damage. Fin.

[Serra]

Was having a discussion with a friend about Aces v Turban the other day. Wanted to use numbers, but couldn't find them fast enough/am discouraged against meriting due to the upcoming level changes, so was wondering if someone could post the comparison. Thanks in advanced~

[Taruking]

Where are you getting +attack from? From food? Guess what. When I levelled drg, I could pull hate just from normal TP hits. Ditto for polearm samurai. If you have decent gear, you can easily pull hate through TPing on birds with polearm even without brd + cor buffs.

Also, nice attempt at using the RL card. /thf in exp sucks, the bonus from SA only applies to the first hit, stop arguing now, you're only making yourself look worse. Know what going /thf to a shit party does? Makes the party even worse.

Seriously have you used pizza before?

The main reason for using THF SJ is for TA. Transferring hate to your tank helps them to tank better and make it less likely for you to pull hate. If you join a party thinking you must fire WS the minute you reach 100TP of course you will never make the most out of the SJ. For a DRG you already have jump to shed hate, a SAM can time your WS with SATA. It may not give you the best damage output but it makes exping less stressful and still maintain the similar exp/hr.

[Cream Soda]

if 5 attack on a spike earring doesn't make enough difference for me, not sure how 3 on jaguar mantle does

I always have BRD+COR and was at capped accuracy all of this party, nobody's going to support accura+1 allowing meat over crab sushi, so really it's 8 attack vs 2 inventory.. which really isn't a great tradeoff to me(esp considering the earring only lasts 8 levels and the cape 14)

not that it's the place to argue this anyway

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[Dooom]

You are not maintaining "similar" exp/hr by using thf, even if it allows you to use pizza over crab sushi or mithkabobs. You are obtaining worse exp/hr. You're also assuming you're doing one WS a minute (which is shit, especially for samurai, thank you meditate), that people line up perfectly (doesn't happen in reality, have to wait for people to line up, causing TP overflow, causing lost damage, causing less exp/hr), and also assuming that this one SATAWS will stop you from pulling hate and that you'll never pull hate otherwise or be subject of snatch morsel, which is all a bullshit premise and doesn't happen in reality.

You're not worth arguing with.

[Juravial]

If subbing THF allows you to use food you otherwise wouldn't have been able to, you aren't putting out very much damage.

*shrug* I like 3 hour food...its convenient. I suppose I could go /sam and spam mithkabobs, but it seems like an awful lot of button mashing, and I really wouldn't get to safely use souleater and stuff.

I'll tell you the most fun I ever had in a party, was when we invited a nin (there weren't any other DD up at the time) and my wife came as pld, and the nin was first voke and I got to SATA my ws onto her. Man those were some great numbers.

edit: nice Vbelt.

[Juravial]

You are not maintaining "similar" exp/hr by using thf, even if it allows you to use pizza over crab sushi or mithkabobs. You are obtaining worse exp/hr. You're also assuming you're doing one WS a minute (which is shit, especially for samurai, thank you meditate), that people line up perfectly (doesn't happen in reality, have to wait for people to line up, causing TP overflow, causing lost damage, causing less exp/hr), and also assuming that this one SATAWS will stop you from pulling hate and that you'll never pull hate otherwise or be subject of snatch morsel, which is all a bullshit premise and doesn't happen in reality.

You're not worth arguing with.

IN dooom's defense, going /thf doesn't really work too well when your level sync is ~57-8 in a lesser colibri party, or ~64 in a "colibri" party because they do die fast with a bunch of DD in the party. However, your exp per hour is directly correlated to and limited to how fast you can pull mobs, and unfortunately, in the normal lesser or normal colibri camps, we end up either killing too fast and running out of mobs, or settling into a nice cycle where mobs spawn just after we kill the previous one.

Normally its not that hard to find a level 55 sync, or a level 60 sync, though, and in those instances, you can pretty much expect to ws once in the beginning of the fight, then tp it out and have full (or more than full) tp by the time the next fight begins.

[shepardG]

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