Michele Bachmann: Spectacle or Prophet?

[Leif]

Just so it's made very clear:

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showp...&postcount=152

Check his entire posts via the link in the quote, and tell me where he makes this argument:

Your link takes you to a page where you quoted me, selectively.

'Islamic extremism targets American interests and civilians, and should be a priority over Christian extremism.'

I never made this argument, either.

Or whatever his new argument is currently, since he realized the old one is bust.

You have yet to establish what the "old one" even is.

Ever notice how Leif still doesn't have the balls to try to defend this bullshit?

Where have you been?

In any case, since these itemized arguments have been working really well...
1) Political correctness is dangerous and actively seeks to suppress speech
2) Islam is the one religion American politics refuses to touch to the point we are put at a greater risk

[Elvis]

Leif, try this out and get back to us:

[Elvis]

Your link takes you to a page where you quoted me, selectively.


I never made this argument, either.


You have yet to establish what the "old one" even is.

I have, several times. I didn't cite out out of context - and I'm asking others here to read them and decide for themselves.

[Leif]

I have, several times. I didn't cite out out of context - and I'm asking others here to read them and decide for themselves.

You constantly cite me out of context and refuse to explain yourself.


So, one question, are you going to explain why what I said means what you said I said? This is a yes or no question.


If you just say no, I'll zoom out of this thread, never to return.

[Elvis]

You constantly cite me out of context and refuse to explain yourself.


So, one question, are you going to explain why what I said means what you said I said?

I'm not going in circles with you on this. You're just blatantly lying now. As I said, people can check what I said and what you said - and then come to their own conclusions.

Every single citation, is linked to the full comment. They can read it, and determine whether I quoted you 'out of context'.

You simply changed your argument when you realized your initial one was worthless.

If we're now talking about the merit of American foreign policy, that's different of course.

However, I don't think in terms of pure interests/realpolitik. Neither do you, you're just a moron and racist.

[Ksandra]

Why does everyone whine about "trolls"? If you're going to label anyone a troll, it's the guy who keeps going into threads about computer processors and talks about penises.

ftfy= whining?

And penises are amazing, stop insulting those that talk of them.

[Correction]

You constantly cite me out of context and refuse to explain yourself.


So, one question, are you going to explain why what I said means what you said I said? This is a yes or no question.


If you just say no, I'll zoom out of this thread, never to return.

Don't stop at the thread, just leave the forums. Nobody will miss you.

[Elvis]

Small edit, I forgot to include the last line of the first quote as what 'he' said:

"And, I didn't "just" change my argument, I've been screaming this for pages."

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showp...&postcount=152

[Leif]

I'm not going in circles with you on this. You're just blatantly lying now.

You're the one who refuses to explain your quotes. You simply insist "The evidence is there, make your own conclusions!".

This isn't an argument.

As I said, people can check what I said and what you said - and then come to their own conclusions.

Laziness.

[quote]Every single citation, is linked to the full comment. They can read it, and determine whether I quoted you 'out of context'.[/quote
I never accused you of quoting me out of context. I accused you of constantly fabricating what I say.

You simply changed your argument when you realized your initial one was worthless.

The original fabricated argument is insane. You have this on record: If I made that argument, I will admit to being a crazy person with the credibility of a compulsive liar.

However, I don't think in terms of pure interests/realpolitik. Neither do you, you're just a moron and racist.

Racist? Who don't I like because of their race?

Why do liberals always call their opponents some variation of evil, racist, or stupid?

[Leif]

And penises are amazing, stop insulting those that talk of them.

I agree, but trolling is still an inaccurate description.

Don't stop at the thread, just leave the forums. Nobody will miss you.

I like high post counts. When liberals say "nobody likes you", it's always a lie. However, I hope all of the forum liberals hate me, want me to leave, and think I'm outrageous.

[Ksandra]

I agree, but trolling is still an inaccurate description.

you better hope it's accurate.

[Leif]

you better hope it's accurate.

What?

edit: is Sailor Jupiter a lesbian?

[dudeguy]

I see this thread has derailed fabulously

[ZarakiKujata]

I like high post counts. When liberals say "nobody likes you", it's always a lie. However, I hope all of the forum liberals hate me, want me to leave, and think I'm outrageous.

Bolder admission of trawlin I have never heard. Also Leif agreeing penises are amazing? Closeted self hating conservative homo?

[Leif]

This train has derailed, crashed into a brick wall, fell into the ocean, sat there for two thousand years, before being lifted up and dropped into a volcano.

Bolder admission of trawlin I have never heard.

Apparently, liberals still can't read. Nowhere did I say "I post because I like to annoy people!".

Also Leif agreeing penises are amazing? Closeted self hating conservative homo?

/snooze

Who's ready for another round of liberal gay bashing?!

Actually, let's not. Last time we did that, Ksandra deleted a page and a half of posts.

[Elvis]

Leif, I'm appealing to the neutral observers here to simply look at what each of us has said, and come to their own conclusions about our logic and reasoning.

I listed quotes of yours - w/ a link to the full post.

There is nothing more for me to say to you. I've articulated my case fully.

As to your racism -

Bigotry and racism share many similarities. I mean structurally of course. Like, I can hate an Arab or Muslim for similar reasons, but not superficial ones. Like an Arab can be secular, etc. - but I can apply a sweeping generalization about all Arabs being Muslim and then being fanatic Muslims.

Or go straight for demonizing non-extremist Muslims, and demonizing Islam in and of itself.

Our conception of Islam is through the lens of the Arab world. That is the image of Islam that is so pervasive in our political and popular culture. Just look at studies of popular film in the US.

More to the point though, I believe you've referred to 'them' as savages and barbarians. This only serves to contradict your 'new and improved' bullshit argument, further. Your history of ignorant and bigoted statements on Islam and Arabs, that is.

[Leif]

Leif, I'm appealing to the neutral observers here to simply look at what each of us has said, and come to their own conclusions about our logic and reasoning.

I listed quotes of yours - w/ a link to the full post.

There is nothing more for me to say to you. I've articulated my case fully.

Great. As long as you keep the boring posts about the "New Right" and "Central America" down, we have the potential to be great friends.

As to your racism -

Bigotry and racism share many similarities. I mean structurally of course. Like, I can hate an Arab or Muslim for similar reasons, but not superficial ones. Like an Arab can be secular, etc. - but I can apply a sweeping generalization about all Arabs being Muslim and then being fanatic Muslims.

Or go straight for demonizing non-extremist Muslims, and demonizing Islam in and of itself.

Our conception of Islam is through the lens of the Arab world. That is the image of Islam that is so pervasive in our political and popular culture. Just look at studies of popular film in the US.

More to the point though, I believe you've referred to 'them' as savages and barbarians. This only serves to contradicts your 'new and improved' bullshit argument, further. Your history of ignorant and bigoted statements on Islam and Arabs, that is.

Maybe not.

[Elvis]

I like high post counts. When liberals say "nobody likes you", it's always a lie. However, I hope all of the forum liberals hate me, want me to leave, and think I'm outrageous.

You realize that, you get a lot of shit because you're an easy target - right?

Like, it's not as though what you're saying is compelling or truthful. It's so easily refutable that ANYONE can jump in the discussion.

Purely on a rhetorical level, the things you say are rife w/ logical fallacies. And you don't need to know every fallacy to take notice of them. You simply need common sense.

[Correction]

Great. As long as you keep the boring posts about the "New Right" and "Central America" down, we have the potential to be great friends.

"As long as you stop owning my bullshit 'religion isn't bad for politics; unless it's Islam' argument in my very first post in this thread, we have the potential to be great friends."

[Olo401]

Guys I hate to do this but Leif is correct. He's not trolling at all. He, like most of the current crop of base authoritarian conservatives in this country, simply believes the bullshit and lies he shovels.

So let him shovel it on your ignore list and save yourselves the aggravation.