Big Bomb solo

[drwaffles]

No one did it because no one cared as much as Avesta did about being "the first". That was his whole claim to fame. The only reason he solo'd Suzaku first was because he was the only one who could be bothered to see if it was soloable or not. That's it. The strategy is no different to things that were done 2+ years beforehand. This has been said constantly over the course of this argument, yet you continue to bring up that point as if it's the one that's being debated. Why are you so dense?

[Wrish]

No one did it because no one cared as much as Avesta did about being "the first".

Careful what you say. It could so elegantly be countered that this makes Avesta supreme because he actually solos his strategy (of course, borrowing individual ideas from everyone else) while not one of his copycats does.

Here in this thread, we even had a bit of collaborative discussion on how a ninja would go about BB. Still, no video! Just some SS...

[drwaffles]

Careful what you say. It could so elegantly be countered that this makes Avesta supreme because he actually solos his strategy (of course, borrowing individual ideas from everyone else) while not one of his copycats does.

What the fuck are you talking about? Get this, retards: all of his solos use one of two different strategies. The only thing the guy deserves credit for is being the first to apply them to different mobs. Other people could have done the exact same thing if they had actually cared enough to do so. This has already been done to death, will you please just let it die?

Here in this thread, we even had a bit of collaborative discussion on how a ninja would go about BB. Still, no video! Just some SS...

Seriously, what point are you even trying to make? Thorny solo'd BB on NIN/WHM and went into a great deal of detail about his strategy. If you're going to question its legitimacy, you're a retard. Oh, and by the way, Thorny's NIN/WHM strategy (whilst of course taking its inspiration from the discussion in this thread) was infinitely more creative than Avesta's.

[drwaffles]

I'm going to give myself an aneurysm trying to get through you idiots' thick skulls, so I'll let you continue to hurfdurf amongst yourselves until those tiny brains of yours finally manage to catch up to the rest of us living in 2010.

[Charismatic]

What the fuck are you talking about? Get this, retards: all of his solos use one of two different strategies. The only thing the guy deserves credit for is being the first to apply them to different mobs. Other people could have done the exact same thing if they had actually cared enough to do so.

Conjecture.

Obviously people care to solo it because people do. No one else really started to do it until Avesta came out and did it though.

[Wrish]

all of his solos use one of two different strategies. The only thing the guy deserves credit for is being the first to apply them

Semantic distinction, then I think we're on the same page. All his solos use a handful of ideas shared by many red mages. Applying those ideas to a mob constitutes the strategy. When you're copying someone else's application of ideas, though, you're not generating a strategy. The same goes for applying the ideas in exactly the same way to a different mob, say, if BB were kitable like Hakutaku. Suzy is different from BB; Suzy nukes harder and can't be paralyzed, but you have ample mid-cast kiting room.

Other people could have done the exact same thing if they had actually cared enough to do so.

Interestingly, they start to care *after* Avesta posts a video. Something you're not stating, eh?

Oh, and by the way, Thorny's NIN/WHM strategy (whilst of course taking its inspiration from the discussion in this thread) was infinitely more creative than Avesta's.

Speaking both of ideas and application, I don't feel that way. I advanced /whm because it affords maximum magical defense at a compromise to speed of healing (between /rdm and /dnc). Remember, I thought nukes would be 1k+ naked. We all knew to use a magic defense set, plus an evasion set, and of course refresh drinks + sanction. I believe none of us explicitly went into a stoneskin set, but seeing as most of us are also RDMs, it would have come naturally.

Seeing the actual BB do so little magic damage, nin/dnc is no longer ruled out. Nin/rdm, advanced by someone else, is competitive on efficiency and has a good chance of surviving this diminished rate of damage.

What "creativity" did you find in his eventual strategy?

[Spider-Dan]

What the fuck are you talking about? Get this, retards: all of his solos use one of two different strategies. The only thing the guy deserves credit for is being the first to apply them to different mobs. Other people could have done the exact same thing if they had actually cared enough to do so.

This argument is incredibly weak. So we're supposed to believe that anyone could have soloed Suzaku from 2003-2008, but no one wanted to do it? Yet, mysteriously, after he successfully accomplishes it, it's somehow an item of discussion.

You bash Taruking for riding Avesta's nuts, but you're just as bad in the opposite direction; regardless of how easy you think it is in hindsight to solo the things Avesta has soloed, the plain and simple fact remains that he was the first to actually do it. Stop trying to discount that as if it's meaningless.

Anyone can sit on a forum and armchair quarterback their way to a flawless victory (see: the topic of this thread). Actually going out and doing it, not to mention doing it first (before you have to waste your own pops/gil/exp figuring out which strategies don't work) counts for a LOT.

[Mayareira]

Avesta's ps2 solos were impressive. For fucks sake, don't pull a "but he died to zip lol want me to show pics of it!?!?!?", its cheap.

And no, praising someone doesn't make you a cocksucker especially when said person doesn't/won't even read what you said.

[drwaffles]

Avesta's ps2 solos were impressive. For fucks sake, don't pull a "but he died to zip lol want me to show pics of it!?!?!?", its cheap.

And no, praising someone doesn't make you a cocksucker especially when said person doesn't/won't even read what you said.

For the last fucking time, EVERYONE on my side of this argument has already stated MULTIPLE times that Avesta deserves praise for creativity and initiative. That was NEVER in question. What was being discussed was the quality of EXECUTION, but of course all you idiots keep missing the point and bringing up things that are totally irrelevant. I've laid it out in black and white on practically every page what we're trying to discuss, and STILL you lack the intelligence to latch on to it. Until someone tells me that the discussion in this thread has taken a turn for the less retarded I'll leave it to rot and fester in the presence of your collective stupidity.

[rog]

I haven't seen a solo from any job for Bomb Queen. Perhaps the resist setup we discarded for BB would be able to handle that one? On main RDM?

I tried it before, and with 2 people killing the adds, i could survive easily enough, but it's high regen prevented me from getting it below 99%.

This argument is incredibly weak. So we're supposed to believe that anyone could have soloed Suzaku from 2003-2008, but no one wanted to do it? Yet, mysteriously, after he successfully accomplishes it, it's somehow an item of discussion.

Of course anyone could have done it. Personally i didn't try it, because i didn't think it was possible, and i didn't want to waste money on numerous pop sets trying. As soon as i found out it was possible, i farmed a pop set, and killed it as soon as i had the chance, taking nothing more than the idea to run it out of mp (which was not a new idea), and run during firaga to give me time to cast utsu1 from avesta's video. The biggest thing i got from avesta was knowing it was possible.

[Massimo]

This thread is amazing.

Just give up, Waffles, if they haven't gotten it by now, they won't get it at all.

[Charismatic]

Personally i didn't try it, because i didn't think it was possible

This is why Avesta's always going to be considered the best.
He dared people to try, Avesta is what Red Mage dreams are made of.

How can you match that? Damn.
I might actually start sucking his dick now, maybe some of the awesome will rub off.

[rog]

This is why Avesta's always going to be considered the best.
He dared people to try, Avesta is what Red Mage dreams are made of.

How can you match that? Damn.
I might actually start sucking his dick now, maybe some of the awesome will rub off.

Because he had more time on his hands to waste on a mob that might not even be possible? He definitely deserves some respect for being the first, but not quite as much as some people are giving him.

[Charismatic]

He paved the way for all of you, if not for him you'd never have even soloed the shit because you'd still be too busy saying it's not possible.
That deserves a blowjob or two.

Toss Thorny one too while you're at it.

[Wrish]

What was being discussed was the quality of EXECUTION

You can't be serious. Since mid-06 Avesta has showed first-rate execution in his videos. When you're that close to perfect there's not enough room for improvement to put him to shame. There are peers, but that doesn't distinguish anybody. The difference is you didn't work your butt off (gear? everybody has gear), so you don't have any recognition.

I tried it before, and with 2 people killing the adds, i could survive easily enough, but it's high regen prevented me from getting it below 99%.

Got me curious. Back in '05 or so, I met this Mountain Worm deep in Uleguerand that I just couldn't hurt. I HP'ed, regeared RDM, and eventually got it down. 50/tic regen and just a few k HP, I later learned. My DD gear was plainly gimp those days.

[Thorny]

Speaking both of ideas and application, I don't feel that way. I advanced /whm because it affords maximum magical defense at a compromise to speed of healing (between /rdm and /dnc). Remember, I thought nukes would be 1k+ naked. We all knew to use a magic defense set, plus an evasion set, and of course refresh drinks + sanction. I believe none of us explicitly went into a stoneskin set, but seeing as most of us are also RDMs, it would have come naturally.

Seeing the actual BB do so little magic damage, nin/dnc is no longer ruled out. Nin/rdm, advanced by someone else, is competitive on efficiency and has a good chance of surviving this diminished rate of damage.

What "creativity" did you find in his eventual strategy?

Hey retard. Take a look at thise 3 paragraphs, then take a look at what Drwaffles and the other intelligent people are saying about Avesta. Noticing anything similar?

Soloing Big Bomb on NIN is not impressive. I had significantly gimped katana skill(it actually went up near 10 levels during the fight), was missing more than 50 m.acc from ninjutsu skill, am missing gear as basic as osode and sune-ate, didn't bring nearly enough meds, and am tarutaru. On top of all of that, I gave up TH4 on a mob worth a decent amount of gil. This is nothing special and anyone who is halfway competent at ninja could have done it, because it's a basic strategy.. recast utsusemi and use stoneskin/cures/meds as needed.

In short, I don't deserve any praise(and you'll notice my posts are just about the fight) because it's an old, tired strategy. It's not any more special than Avesta bind-nuking his tenth bindable NM..

[Charismatic]

Ya'll boys don't know what inspiration is do you?
My boy Avesta put all this shit in your heads and that's why he's on top and has a fanbase.

Also, I like how people like to talk about execution like his videos don't show that homeboy is top-notch on that execution.

[Callisto]

Suzy nukes harder and can't be paralyzed

uhhhhh lol

[Thorny]

Ya'll boys don't know what inspiration is do you?
My boy Avesta put all this shit in your heads and that's why he's on top and has a fanbase.

Also, I like how people like to talk about execution like his videos don't show that homeboy is top-notch on that execution.

I never saw an Avesta solo video before this thread. I never watched any other RDM's solo video, and any mention of their strategies I've seen is purely from lurking these forums. Surprisingly, I've still managed to figure out how to solo 7/8 sky triggers, 3/6 jailers without wall, all the ix'aerns, Seiryu, Suzaku, Genbu, Apollyon SW/NW/NE, >10 SCNMs, countless misc NMs, etc. While my case may be an exception and not the norm, I'm willing to bet I'm not the only person who figured out how to solo without watching ancient videos and sucking Avesta's dick. That said, upon seeing his videos, every single one of his kills is slower than mine of the same mob. I don't die either, so not really sure what everyone is saying about execution.. he skips nuking and has hundreds of free mp at most times to compensate for other inadequacies, so he's better than someone who actually uses their mp to kill faster?

[Charismatic]

I never saw an Avesta solo video before this thread.

Stopped reading here.
Bitch ass is lyin'.