Big Bomb solo

[Bikpik]

Use as many as you want, but *if* you manage to win, most people wouldn't be particularly impressed if you had to spam 50 hi-pots.

You know exactly what I'm referring to. Excessive meds makes it less of a true solo in the eyes of many people. What you deem to be excessive is entirely up to you.

50 Hi-potions ~ 50,000 Gil
1 Fire Bomblet ~ 1,000,000 Gil

Seems like a reasonable expense to me, hell 500 would double your Gil.

Thorny is right though, you can't say some meds are good, while others are bad, it's either all or nothing

[Thorny]

50 Hi-potions ~ 50,000 Gil

Nitpicking, nothing about you just a general point;

3 hi potion tanks = 9k and that'd be 60 of em, no need to buy individually and spend that much

[Cairthenn]

Considering a 1/5~ drop rate, at the very best, I'll have to disagree.

But the "I did it" is priceless so whatever. '-')/

[drwaffles]

These "many people" you refer to must be seriously fucktarded. There is absolutely zero grounds for claiming that using meds somehow detract from a solo.

[Bikpik]

Nitpicking, nothing about you just a general point;

3 hi potion tanks = 9k and that'd be 60 of em, no need to buy individually and spend that much

Ya i was going for the most cost scenerio.

1/5 drop rate is still only 250k in hi-pots(if you buy them seperate) so you can still make 750k

edit. if you do use 50 hi-pots per solo attempt

[Dowzer]

Since BB is going nowhere...

Fuck Bune, Rapido, Gration, Culberry, you name it. Those are a waste of time. 3/35 on Rapido and I hate the rest.

Tried Beadeaux out for a bit, got each drop a few times but there's a team of 4 JP (or RMT?) who camp 24/7.

Since my friend has CC99 he decided to camp Manes to help hit 100. We started camping Sith and realized how easy it really is. Maybe even possible solo. I say it might be possible because pulling it can be a huge risk of losing it. My friend and I CS nuke it on the spot. I'm beginning to think a large MP pool can do it solo, possibly keeping a Vile Elixer on hand just in case.

[Thorny]

The ghosts are a joke to solo, and you can pull without unclaiming fine if you're competent. This is entirely irrelevant to the thread.

[Dowzer]

Yeah, I'm joining in on the off topic discussion about RDM because BB with 50 meds is ridiculous. I'm not saying using meds isn't soloing, but when you're fumbling into your satchel for them, it's excessive.

I can pull the ghost without losing it and yes, they're very easy. That's my point.

[Blasta]

3/35 on Rapido and I hate the rest.

1/40+ im not even kidding

[rog]

1/40+ im not even kidding

Hah. I'm around 0/20 solo, plus around 10 more with others (maybe 3-5 had th3-4). If you've got that bow even once, you can't complain.

[Wrish]

Use as many as you want, but *if* you manage to win, most people wouldn't be particularly impressed if you had to spam 50 hi-pots.

You know exactly what I'm referring to. Excessive meds makes it less of a true solo in the eyes of many people. What you deem to be excessive is entirely up to you.

Here's what it boils down to. Hi-potions recover 100-130 hp at a time and are instant use. Elixirs recover an effective ~600 hp at a time and require a 20s time window to use. Super-ethers recover ~450-500 hp and are easier to synth. This 20s window exists after you've casted Ichi and while the mob is unable to recast; it can possibly start right when the mob begins casting aga3, but that is a bigger risk.

However many meds you use, a solo previously deemed impossible is impressive. No one's requiring that it be practical or efficient - that talk comes only after the win. If you repeat it with way fewer meds and the same gear, taking a similar number of magic moves, then you'll have one-upped the original solo. But if as a result of having way few meds you end up eating dirt, that impresses nobody.

There's a clear difference between soloing with 1-2 hi potions and soloing using 50 hi-potions.

Of course, supposing that there exists a solo with 1-2 hi potions, which there isn't.

If I muled everything, I'd probably be able to make space, but I 1) can't be assed to mule 40 pieces of gear 2) dont want to buy 40+ meds 3) dont want to rely on the crutch of a huge invo of meds.

"I can't be assed to carry 15 hi-pots so I'm gonna say it's impossible for a 25 MNK/NIN to solo M2-3."

Good luck with just 6500 HP worth of meds!

[FailureMidgard]

The only merit parties who are allowed to post their exp/hr are the ones where 0 melee use food. That is all.

[Wrish]

I said you were wrong about DANCER not /DNC. Learn to read. DNC can't touch NIN's eva, has less subtle blow, less shadows, less haste? (idk what DNC gets hastewise), less -PDT, and I dunno how much -MDT DNC has access too.

Oh fine, I can't read. So you were talking about Dancer, which not only do you not have leveled but also haven't researched.

They don't need subtle blow; they can turn around and keep regenerating TP. Steps -> 5/5 Reverse Flourish for 25 TP every 30 seconds, plus meditate (No Foot Rise) for 60 or 75 TP every 3 minutes, on top of whatever they get hitting the mob.

Their PDT is stellar. It starts at 90% and goes down 10% each hit until 20%, before heading back up to 90% after 5 minutes. So if they don't get hit for 4 minutes, then for their first slip-up they get hit for 1/10 damage. This is while wearing full evasion. NIN doesn't have any PDT in evasion gear, don't you remember?

Their MDT beats NIN/DNC. 28% mdr, 4 mdb: http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=133838 1100 base damage turns into 761 instead of 825.

Fantastic, now it's casting Aga3 again and you have 0mp. what are you going to do? drop 50meds on it?

Use one (1) elixir and cast one (1) Cure III. If you're at 0 MP you wouldn't wait until it starts casting again, because an elixir takes time to use. Refresh/regen fill you up all this while.

Anyone think PLD/DNC could also do this? Aegis and a thing or two to hit 50% mdr with shell 3, trousers for ice spikes, plus knowing you can zerg 1500 dmg near the end.

[Fottiti]

Absolutely no way you can blood tank it solo, it hits as hard as most HNMs and without any enfeeble on it, it will be hitting far too much.

[Wrish]

Well, the PLD/RDMs who first did Ancient Goobbue tanked a hard-hitting hundred-fists mob just fine with a 19 or 20-reduction phalanx. They, too, used ice trousers.

[Fottiti]

Ancient goobbue really doesn't hit nearly as hard as big bomb (but obviously hits faster under hundred fists) which is where phalanx really makes a huge difference.

[drwaffles]

Anyone think PLD/DNC could also do this? Aegis and a thing or two to hit 50% mdr with shell 3, trousers for ice spikes, plus knowing you can zerg 1500 dmg near the end.

The only way to find out is by trying it. If PLD's defensive attributes, MP regeneration, Samba and Waltzes can keep up with the damage from Big Bomb's melee attacks, Blaze Spikes, nukes (all of them, since no shadows) and the increased number of Impacts it'll be doing as a result of blood tanking then they'll be able to solo it. Perhaps it'd be possible for a really pimp Aegis PLD, I'm not sure. I wouldn't put a lot of money on it, though.

[Taruking]

Get the fuck off of Avesta's cock. The only thing the least bit impressive about his playstyle is the fact that half of those solos were the first publicized solo of said mob, which of course means half weren't. I can solo any monster he has in less time, more safely.. and there are 3 other RDMs in my linkshell that can do the same.

ZM impressive, really? That shit can be soloed with an aquilo's staff, joyeuse, and set of NQ errant with minor 'skill'..

Check out the last 2 minutes of both videos:
Avesta's ZM
To compare

I know the 2nd video is probably not the best example (strictly speaking it's not even a solo attempt) but it's the only one I can find on youtube. Both videos resulted in clearance of the fight but Avesta's looks clean and effortless. A lot of RDMs manage to duplicate his result but I have yet to meet a RDM who can multitask like him (or her?). If you really want to prove you can do it better, drop all your 3rd party programs and make a video.

[Cairthenn]

If you the word multitask once more I think I'll have to kill myself while removing your hands and vocal cords.

[drwaffles]

Check out the last 2 minutes of both videos:
Avesta's ZM
To compare

I know the 2nd video is probably not the best example (strictly speaking it's not even a solo attempt) but it's the only one I can find on youtube. Both videos resulted in clearance of the fight but Avesta's looks clean and effortless. A lot of RDMs manage to duplicate his result but I have yet to meet a RDM who can multitask like him (or her?). If you really want to prove you can do it better, drop all your 3rd party programs and make a video.

You're an idiot and a cocksucker. Sorry to break it to you, but your hero is nothing special any more - get the fuck out of your 2005 "Avesta is God" and "using Windower means you lack skill" mentalities. I've always commended the guy on being gutsy enough to try soloing new NMs, but his execution, whilst good, is far from amazing.