Christian Rapper Disses Jay Z, Beyonce, Rihanna

[ZarakiKujata]

Just noticed, but Vajra listed red herring as one of his favorite fish while sidestepping the original question. That is some excellent trolling.

[foopy]

Vajra lemme ask you a few questions.

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Did you know that all fish evolved from a common ancestor?
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I don't give a crap about fish, all they do is make ploop ploop ploop faces...

best answer ever.

[Khajit]

Fun fact. The scientist who proposed the big bang theory was a catholic preist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
other fun fact. he mocked Einstein by saying “Your math is correct, but your physics is abominable.” when Einstein at first refused to believe it was possible.
Then later on eh got invited into the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifi...my_of_Sciences and eventually became thier president. He then later got promoted to prelate by the pope.
Kinda makes the people claiming the world is only x thousand years old when the catholic church itself sponsored the creation of the big bang theory and promoted the guy afterward multiple times.

[Kyo]

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o...ristianity.jpg

[Eaglestrike]

I think dinosaurs existed at one point, because of the skeletons found. Just because the bible doesn't list every type of beast/animal that existed doesn't mean they didn't exist. The Bible only tells you what foods are unhealthy for you such as pork (which I try not to eat much of, if not none at all). Dinosaurs could of existed then were killed off during the flood because they were too un-tame to travel on Noah's Ark, who knows, the Bible doesn't say, it just says he took 2 of every thing on the boat but doesn't say if he excluded some beasts.

I mostly agree with this, at least as an acceptable way to look at it.

UFO/Aliens and outerspace travel is a waste of time, keep on dreaming about living like the Jetsons, Futurama, Independence Day (film), Star Trek, and Star Wars because it'll never happen. Intergalactic civilization is a bunch of poppycock. It will NEVER happen. The movies and cartoons are entertaining but they are just Science Fiction and will always be so. God created one populated civilization, and it's called EARTH. The Bible would tell us if there was life on other planets. Only thing NASA has done that is useful is made weather satellites which help us keep safe, and hubble telescopes which warn us of incoming space objects like meteors and meteorites (I guess). Earth will never be destroyed by a huge Asteroid like in the movie Armageddon, and you can quote me on that.

Why would the Bible tell us if there were other places God created life? Why do so many Christians think they personally are that important to God to get all this information from him? God is far more important than you and I, He is more than welcome to have multiple worlds that He has created without informing us.

According to the Bible, the Earth is about 3,000 or so years old. All this 65 billion years old crap is poppycock. Until scientists can invent a time machine and go back 65 billion years, I'll stick to what my Bible tells me.

Or maybe God didn't want to explain that there were 65 billion years of events to humans who back then had no education system and had no real use for such knowledge and kept things short and simple.

I never said evolution doesn't occur, all I said was that the Big Bang Theory is nullified by the teachings of the Bible.

What I don't get is why someone says this. How about: God is the Big Bang?

It's retarded to take things at their word from the Bible. Jesus spoke mostly in parables, there's imagery and metaphors all throughout the thing. Why not consider that the origins story is full of the stuff and isn't the exact literal story of how everything was formed? It's not like Jesus said "yeah that's exactly how it went down" to confirm it, no prophet has confirmed or hinted that Genesis is a literal story of how things happened. I don't see where people come across claiming it has to be one way or the other. Science nor religion has the sure-fire truth for how we came to be and any side claiming the other is 100% wrong is just as wrong themselves.

[Sylvrdragon]

I don't understand the people that try to compromise between Religion and Science. If you accept everything that Science has to teach us and just put up a post-it note with "God did it" at the start, then at some point, you have to realize that everything that you claimed was done by god could have happened WITHOUT him.

As such, your entire religion is based on a book that you admit was written by men. You can't read these men's minds. You can't possibly know whether they were adding stuff to the bible to manipulate the masses (Keep in mind, the church WAS politics in those days), or to further their own selfish ends (or maybe even Not-so-selfish ends), or if they were just bat-shit insane. When people today claim that they are the son of god or that god is speaking to them, we acknowledge that they are mentally unstable and in need of therapy/medication. Why do people assume that just because it's thousands of years old, that their weren't people just as crazy/corrupt/political back then, and that some of them had access to a quill and parchment?

I'll even give you that some of the contributors to the bible might have been sane and sincere. Unfortunately, that doesn't rule out ignorant (I don't mean that in an insulting way. Everyone is ignorant to some degree). I've seen plenty of good and sane people get duped into contributing to someone else's plans (pyramid schemes, charity schemes, politics, cultists etc.). I've also seen people come up with something that makes perfect sense at the time except for 1 fatal flaw that they didn't even know to look for (called an Unknown unknown) that completely invalidates their claim. (Earth is flat, Sun orbits the Earth, various other ventures in Physics, etc)

The best (worst) part is that someone, somewhere came up with the genius idea of Faith. That you are more virtuous, and hence better rewarded in the end, for believing in something with no proof and no incentive until you're dead. Once you hammer that one in, you can get them to believe and do anything you want.

If the bible were written in the information age, it probably wouldn't even get published.

[Xno Kappa]

Why would the Bible tell us if there were other places God created life? Why do so many Christians think they personally are that important to God to get all this information from him? God is far more important than you and I, He is more than welcome to have multiple worlds that He has created without informing us.

I can only imagine the massive universal /facepalm aliens would get if we tried to tell them this after they showed up.

[tyven]

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o...ristianity.jpg

lol, never seen that. amazing

[Chun Liroy]

Well this is an interesting turn of events. I provoke Vajra to give answers to questions. In turn, half the people laugh and the other half get trolled hard.

[Suited Aces]

I bet Jesus would frown upon the wickedness and godlessness of naruto.

[Kainos]

I don't understand the people that try to compromise between Religion and Science. If you accept everything that Science has to teach us and just put up a post-it note with "God did it" at the start, then at some point, you have to realize that everything that you claimed was done by god could have happened WITHOUT him.

Even though there are a lot of people that firmly believe "if it's not in the Bible, it can't be true", science and the bible go hand in hand. It's really just a matter how people choose to interpret the facts. Did you know that the 59 elements in the human body are all found in the earth's crust? God says he created man from the dirt and gave him life. God created the earth in 7 days, but a day to him could be millions of years to us b/c God is timeless. It is all open to interpretation, the difference is a true evolutionist believes life was sparked by accident and time instead of Divine Creation.

As such, your entire religion is based on a book that you admit was written by men. You can't read these men's minds. You can't possibly know whether they were adding stuff to the bible to manipulate the masses (Keep in mind, the church WAS politics in those days), or to further their own selfish ends (or maybe even Not-so-selfish ends), or if they were just bat-shit insane. When people today claim that they are the son of god or that god is speaking to them, we acknowledge that they are mentally unstable and in need of therapy/medication. Why do people assume that just because it's thousands of years old, that their weren't people just as crazy/corrupt/political back then, and that some of them had access to a quill and parchment?

In Christianity it is believed it was written by God, even though there were several authors who wrote the book they were moved by the Holy Spirit, he spoke through them.
The Life of Jesus is historicaly documented. It is documented that the Romans send him to death for sorcery. I have spoken jewish friends I have spoken to about this and they won't deny that Jesus existed, the just don't believe he was the Son of God.

I'll even give you that some of the contributors to the bible might have been sane and sincere. Unfortunately, that doesn't rule out ignorant (I don't mean that in an insulting way. Everyone is ignorant to some degree). I've seen plenty of good and sane people get duped into contributing to someone else's plans (pyramid schemes, charity schemes, politics, cultists etc.). I've also seen people come up with something that makes perfect sense at the time except for 1 fatal flaw that they didn't even know to look for (called an Unknown unknown) that completely invalidates their claim. (Earth is flat, Sun orbits the Earth, various other ventures in Physics, etc)

You're right in the Bible being used as a crutch to wage war and mislead others in history and looking at the history of how many times it has been rewritten there are sure to be missing pieces. I mean, look at the dead sea scrolls. A lot of Christians choose to ignore them, but they have many passages left out of the Bible (Book of Enoch is probably the most contreversial)

But the Bible is also a historic account of human history, it's not just fairy tales. There are tons of events in there that are supported by Archaelogical evidence and remains. King David, Babylon, Walls of Jeicho, Ancient Egypt just to name a few. The great Flood from Noah's Arc is a story told in 1000's of cultures all over the world. Cultures that have nothing to do with Christianity, from american indians to the far east there are tons of stories/legends of the world ending in a great flood. The Bible talks of Giants who used to live with humans, there is have been fossils/bones found of giants. Some ruins in South America that pre-date the Mayans have buildings and structures that are seem to have been lived in by giants. Huge doors, enormous stairs ect.

The best (worst) part is that someone, somewhere came up with the genius idea of Faith. That you are more virtuous, and hence better rewarded in the end, for believing in something with no proof and no incentive until you're dead. Once you hammer that one in, you can get them to believe and do anything you want.

If the bible were written in the information age, it probably wouldn't even get published.

Faith isn't thinking that you are better than anyone, unfortunatley there people out there that will talk down to you and judge just b/c you don't share their faith (hi to u Osama) but it shouldn't be a general statement for all of us, it's really just ignorance of individuals to be accepting of others.

[ZarakiKujata]

Attempting to reconcile modern science with the Bible is so funny.

Especially since God did not write the latter.

Pretending men who talked to themselves 2000+ years ago had even a remote idea of how modern science works is fun.

[Klaatu]

Stop trolling Moses, mister.

[Eaglestrike]

I can only imagine the massive universal /facepalm aliens would get if we tried to tell them this after they showed up.

Possibly not if they had a form of religion, like most civilizations we've known do/did.

It would also help peace talks to attempt to say we have the same creator (if they did have a religion with a single creator at least) instead of "Our God is better than your God."

About meshing modern science and religion, I've never understood where people saying the Bible says this and this about creation and such get what they're saying. I've certainly not read most of what they say in the Bible and the first few books are parts that I actually have read fully. A lot of what people claim is said in the Bible is just their interpretation of things and it isn't clearly stated, or even unclearly stated a lot of the time. I don't think the Bible has anything that clearly goes against any of sciences findings over the past few hundred years and so I don't see why there must be some huge fight between them.

[ephel]

If the bible were written in the information age, it probably wouldn't even get published.

Ditto with The Origin of Species.

[Sylvrdragon]

I think I failed to put my point into context.

What I'm saying is: Why do you assume that god and the bible were not entirely made up by man?

In the early days, I could understand that there was so much unknown about the world, that "God did it" sounded like a good explanation. When it was written, this is what people actually believed. They had no problem with accepting the bible as literal fact because, as far as they knew, that's what happened. As the years go by and Science advances and the claims of the bible are debunked, Christians have started backpedaling and changing their story. Where they used to say "This is what happened." (and they DID), now you're saying "It's a metaphor; open to interpretation". If someone tried to pull that with anything else in life, they would instantly lose all credibility. Try that in a court room and see where it gets you.

Even if that weren't the case and Christians had been claiming that it was all open to interpretation from the very start (they weren't), that doesn't make it any better. "Open to interpretation" might as well say "Make it up as you go along", because it doesn't mean anything. You can take nearly anything and make it mean anything else so long as you say it's "Open to interpretation". You don't have any objective standard with which to measure various interpretations. You can't say which interpretation is closer to the context in which the passage was written. You can't call one interpretation "More true" than another. In the end, it's a matter of Taste. I'm sorry, but one person's Taste should not dictate how another person lives their life.

Got a bit ranty in there I'm afraid. I would clean it up a bit more, but I have to get ready for work now.

[Chun Liroy]

Well this is an interesting turn of events. I provoke Vajra to give answers to questions. In turn, half the people laugh and the other half get trolled hard.

Trolled getting trolled by the trolled trolling themselves.

[Mizango]

Ditto with The Origin of Species.

Fossils facts would get published though. Now a talking snake, a golden floating box and a giant carnival yacht on the other hand....

[Mizango]

The silence of the finches is a terrible idea to propose.

[Chun Liroy]

Snakes used to have 4 legs yo.