Lost: The Final Season (thread is extra spoilery, click at own risk)

[Kaylia]

They probably didn't include Michael for aesthetic reason. There was already many characters to deal with, and adding him would be somewhat awkward considering what he did to them. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to move on considering even Ben had the chance to do it. There is also the part where Shepard talked about bond and memories...Clearly, Michael didn't care about the group as much as some other people.


Sayid/Shannon was probably the worst couple on the show....I don't care enough about them to complain though.


The plane landing with Richard, Miles (and his diamonds), Sawyer/claire onbard...I agree they will have a rough time explaining this, and it might lead to more people trying to go to the island (dharma initiative 2.0). The show ended where it started, since the island is still around, and people will still want to go.

[Kumbai]

There have been a few things that I've had issues with, some have been addressed earlier in the thread (but I feel like adding to that discussion), some not..

So, when people are saying Michael wasn't there at the end because he couldn't let go, is it just the people who appeared to Hurley on the island who couldn't let go? I believe back on the mainland, Hurley had talked to Charlie (can't remember if he did back on the island), so does that mean he couldn't let go too? I'm hesitant to throw it up to casting since Michael did appear during the season, just odd that he wasn't included in the sideways world at all, even if he was left behind..

I know some people have tried to defend it, but Sayid with Shannon annoys the crap out of me. I don't care that him and Nadia had a tough (understatement I know) life, but she was his true love. Maybe if it was only people from the island in the church at the end, but Penny was there too, so why couldn't Nadia be with Sayid.

Back on the mainland, I agree that the survivors are gonna have a ton of explaining to do, and honestly, not sure how they could pull that off.. Maybe with Whitmore gone, Penny can take over the family business and stage an elaborate cover up. And thinking about Jin and Sun's daughter still makes me sad.. poor kid ; ;

And last thing, the more I think about Lost, the more I want there to be more. I'm fine with the story of the island being over, but Lost had so much backstory, and no we'll never see the resolution of any of it

Michael is part of the whispering spirits in the trees~ that was confirmed a while back. His spirit cant move on, he's trapped on the island. I'm guessing for what he did to Ana Lucia/Libby etc.

As I was watching the church scene Boone kinda stuck out as the one with the weakest connections to anyone there... but because his step-sister was there it kinda made sense, and he was the first person to die that Jack was attatched to. I guess it was the whole "The island was the most important time in your life." bit... if Sayid didn't meet Shannon, he wouldn't of shown his compassion etc.. and probably in the end wouldn't of sacrificed himself for the rest of the gang.

[Tomiko]

-I'm sure the lack of Michael was due to casting.

-It could be that although he loved Nadia, he probably thought he could never be with her (which is why his brother married her in the sideways). And with Shannon there wasn't anything holding him back from showing his feelings for her. I agree though that Nadia should have been the more obvious choice, but that's the only explanation I can think of.

-I think most of us were left wanting more. I hope they do a book or something with answers to the questions that were left unanswered even if they're vague as long as it gives some sort of direction. I'd also be happy if they just pointed out all the Easter Eggs they did over the series.

[Tomiko]

There is also the part where Shepard talked about bond and memories...Clearly, Michael didn't care about the group as much as some other people.

Good point on that one. It would make sense that no one wanted to meet up with Michael after what he did.

[Kaylia]

HURLEY: And...there're others out here like you, aren't there? That's what the whispers are?
MICHAEL: Yeah. We're the ones who can't move on.

It's the only tihng that was said. I'm not sure where people get the ideas that Michael and the ghosts are trapped on the island. They are (imo) trapped in the purgatory like everyone else (Ben, Eloise, charlie..etc), and since that place is outside time, they can always communicate with the living (to everyone on the island, to special people with parabnormal power like Miles/Hugo/Waltz)

The only reason why you hear the whisper on the island is because that place is closer to hell/heaven/purgatory than any other place.

[Celeras]

What millions of plot hole were ignored? There really isn't many thing left up in the air after the finale, aside a few insignicant questions.

Lol?

-What is the island, other than the magical land of light that we're all supposed to accept?
-Why did MIB come out of the waterfall as a fucking smoke beast, when Desmond/Jack/Several others(as shown by the skeletons) had no problem going down there and fucking with whatever they want?
-Why did certain portions of the islands timeline 'merge' with the flash sideways that was supposedly a fictional purgatory that took place years later and completely unrelated(like Jacks neck bleeding)?

Start with those, and then we'll work our way to all the significant B.S. that happened in the first few seasons that the writers seemingly forgot about.

[Tomino]

The relationship between Nadia and Sayid has been portraited as something strong but still.. malfuncionant. This could due to them meeting in the worst period of their lifes, and such.
Shannon works for Sayid mmainly because she represents a fresh new start, a different path from those moments that somehow destroyed, or supposely did, Sayid's good side.

[Tomino]

-What is the island, other than the magical land of light that we're all supposed to accept?

Uh.. A magical land? I think it's an author's right and premise than anything in his story can be a given. I really don't understand your problem with the island being a supernatural place.

-Why did MIB come out of the waterfall as a fucking smoke beast, when Desmond/Jack/Several others(as shown by the skeletons) had no problem going down there and fucking with whatever they want?

Guess this has a lot to do with the fact MiB was a man who go betrayed TWICE (by his mother and brother) and was full of resentment and rage, while Jack or Desmond were there to save everyone.
also, MiB as himself as always been portraited as some sort of genius, which is a common premise for a super evil character.

-Why did certain portions of the islands timeline 'merge' with the flash sideways that was supposedly a fictional purgatory that took place years later and completely unrelated(like Jacks neck bleeding)?

This has everything to do with the concept of purgatory having no "timeline". There's a lot of things that could be said on this topic, by the way. Mostly metaphysics.

[Kaylia]

Lol?

-What is the island, other than the magical land of light that we're all supposed to accept?
-Why did MIB come out of the waterfall as a fucking smoke beast, when Desmond/Jack/Several others(as shown by the skeletons) had no problem going down there and fucking with whatever they want?
-Why did certain portions of the islands timeline 'merge' with the flash sideways that was supposedly a fictional purgatory that took place years later and completely unrelated(like Jacks neck bleeding)?

Start with those, and then we'll work our way to all the significant B.S. that happened in the first few seasons that the writers seemingly forgot about.

What kind of answers did you want to "what is the island" question? You want a philosophical explanation? You want a metaphysical explanation? You want a rational explanation involving science? We saw what the island is able to do, and that's all we needed, I don't understand why you would want a clear explanation considering it's dealing with a made up lore involving some godlike entity. Also, how did you want the characters to find about it? Find a stone tablet talking about the cork representing good and evil, or life and death? You might as well ask why characters in Lost have souls if the spiritual crap bother you this much. We have a good idea what kind of answer it would be, they simply never worded it for us.

How the Smoke's monster was made? Again, you're dealing with a magical light. How do you want to rationalize this? Give it a D&D-like definition? It's a magical entity and no matter what explanation they make up, you would have to accept it since it doesnt contradict anything else (at least, it would be easy to write an explanation if they didn't have one already).That said, Desmond was able to resist the light because he is immune to magnetic field. Jack didn't have this issue since the light was gone. If you want to argue about the details, you could easily pass it as Jack/desmond having "pure" motive, unlike previous people.


The purgatory is timeless. Christian said so. The timeline never merged, it was Jack who was slowly remembering his previous self, and because of this, his appearence changed. Your question might as well be "why everyone look like they did on the island" since some of them probably died at 80 years old. The answer was again told by Shepard. This reality is made up from the bonds and memories, it doesn't take a single shape. Jack's appearance simply matched the one he had before dying, when he was about to remember his death.

A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot

If what you asked was the biggest "plot holes"....I'm even more curious how you can say there is millions of plot hole, since none of it is inconsistency, simply thing that werent answered because they didn't need to.

[Gekii]

I cried, goodbye lost

[Celeras]

Lots of blah blah blah and non-explanations

If what you asked was the biggest "plot holes"....I'm even more curious how you can say there is millions of plot hole, since none of it is inconsistency, simply thing that werent answered because they didn't need to.

Rofl, OH OK. Should have known your response would be 'its self explanatory magic, duh'. Silly me.

[Jememy]

Lol?

-What is the island, other than the magical land of light that we're all supposed to accept?
-Why did MIB come out of the waterfall as a fucking smoke beast, when Desmond/Jack/Several others(as shown by the skeletons) had no problem going down there and fucking with whatever they want?
-Why did certain portions of the islands timeline 'merge' with the flash sideways that was supposedly a fictional purgatory that took place years later and completely unrelated(like Jacks neck bleeding)?

Start with those, and then we'll work our way to all the significant B.S. that happened in the first few seasons that the writers seemingly forgot about.

1. An island (pronounced /ˈaɪlənd/) or isle (/ˈaɪl/) is any piece of sub-continental land that is surrounded by water. Very small islands such as emergent land features on atolls are called islets. A key or cay is another name for a small island or islet. An island in a river or lake may be called an eyot, /ˈaɪ.ət/. A grouping of geographically or geologically related islands is called an archipelago.

It was just a place in the middle of no where on Earth (I guess) that the plane just happened to land. Believe it or not life is random.

2. Desmond could because of some electromagnetic properties in his genetics. Jack could because he was the protector of the island and Jacob probably could of went down there too if he wasn't a fucking tool. I do agree with the skeletons I don't know why there are skeletons down. Stab in the dark maybe someone in the camp Kid in Black ran off too when he saw the vision of his mother found the light and since they were insignificant humans their flesh was ripped off instead of manifesting into a smoke monster. But honestly, that part was stupid who cares.

3. It didn't take place years later. The sideways-afterlife reality was synchronized to Jack. You would know that if you watched the last 30 minutes where Jack saved the island and the closer he got to death the more in touch he got with the purgatory life. And once he died then everyone got to move on. In b4 Hurley and Ben living for a long time (he just drank of bottle of water I bet he didn't survive hundreds of years).

Appreciate the uniqueness of the finale because it was really fucking sick. Also, buy a PS3/ Blueray Player, circle August 29, 2010 on your calendar because that's when you'll get those answers and probably more questions to argue about.

[Jememy]

Good point on that one. It would make sense that no one wanted to meet up with Michael after what he did.

Didn't Hurley forgive Michael when he got the wandering the island explanation from him?

[Odesseiron]

Okay so a friend posted on my facebook last night, pretty much the same thing about the no answers thing.

I'm just going to copy paste what I said to him.

Anyone that says that doesn't get the show. Over the course of 6 years, I have gotten many, many satisfying answers. Now that all 6 seasons are done, you can easily see that for yourself. The producers of the show have said it best. They are very forward about it as well.

Remember how in Star Wars Ep. 1 they tried to explain the force as something... inside the blood? As midiclorians? That forever ruined the force. George Lucas is a moron. He ruined the franchise by making episodes 1-3. Should have never been made. 3 of the biggest pieces of trash movies ever. It's just SFX on top of SFX with zero substance. The producers of Lost compare giving all the answers to the midiclorians in SW: E1. Leaving some of those mysteries there leaves something for the audience to ponder. A somewhat open ending is the best kind of ending there is, IMO.

Also, Lost is Not about the Island. Lost is a character driven show. It is about the people on the island. I would go as far as saying the island is a character itself. As such, it has some mysteries remain unresolved about it. Remember when they tried to have a back story about Jack's tattoo's because people whined they wanted a "reveal" on it? Remember how awful that episode was?

Answering every single thing about the show just would not work, and would ruin a lot of the charm the show has.

[Jememy]

That episode wasn't thaat bad

[Odesseiron]

That episode wasn't thaat bad

Dead link :3 for me anyway!

[Jememy]

Well to tell you the truth I vividly remember wanting to skip past that episode when I was cramming the first 5 seasons in 2 weeks. Buuuut that chick was pretty hot.

[Klaatu]

Someone on FilmSchoolRejects wrote this : Really, "a place where you have to work out your remaining life issues before you move on to the real afterlife" is pretty much *the* definition of Purgatory. You know, Purgatory - as in to "purge", right?

And I agree with them. In either case, purgatory or not, call it way station if it's more pleasing to you, there are many unanswered question, majority due to writer's inability to untangle their own yarnball, combined with actor's contractual obligations and fan influence played major role in how it ended.

Emotionally I am satisfied. Intellectually, not so much. And I think that's how it is for a lot of people. Just because you are okay with the ending, doesn't mean someone else has to be. I watched this show, in part mainly, for the mystery and suspense, because that's how it began, I stopped watching after 3rd season when they began going focusing on "characters" instead of main plot line, I didn't watch Season 4 until it was over and show was half way into season 5.

I just think the producers made a lot of cutbacks and sacrifices to the show based on the reasons I list in the beginning.

[Siatdiat]

Want to throw something out there. I can't find the link because I read so much Lost stuff but I remember reading an interview this last year where the writers talked about Disney owning the license for the show. This means that whether they want to or not Disney could decide they want to make a movie or some shit, or another show that is a spin off of Lost. I don't see either working well, but a smart writer isn't going to write themselves into a hole. I'm sure if Disney decided to do something else they will want to be involved rather than see some random new writers come in and wreck their shit. It sucks how everything is so interactive now, games and tv shows, because people whining about shit is going to be a strong impetus for Disney to fuck up Lost to please people who can't be happy with the ending of Lost as it stands. If you don't like the ending to Lost, by all means, dont ever read the Dark Tower, you might kill yourself.

A good example of writers writing themselves into a hole is the original Planet of the Apes movies. The first one did well and the movie company wanted a sequel, so in the sequel they make sure to kill everyone off to make sure they won't be asked to make another. The movie company just sees money so they end up having to pull shit out of their asses to make even more movies based on the franchise. At least if Disney does get a hair up their ass, we know the writers have something to work with, and hopefully they can pump a little more effort into making something that isn't superfluous.

tl;dr people wanting to make money and whiny viewers could fuck up Lost still.

[Masenko]

If you don't like the ending to Lost, by all means, dont ever read the Dark Tower, you might kill yourself.

I can't stand the ending to Lost and I just finished book 6 of the dark tower... this does not bode well for my sanity.