Lost: The Final Season (thread is extra spoilery, click at own risk)

[Suit and Tie]

It would've most likely been for Jacob to be in. After all, he never seems to go anywhere so I doubt he cared about space. Smokey has been around for a while, at least we know since the 70s, so its not like he got out recently from the ash being touched.

He never goes anywhere? How do you explain him touching our main characters before they came/came back to the island?

[Kaylia]

What I'm curious to see is why Ben was "changed forever" (I forgot the exact wording) when Richard brought him to the magical healing pool. I would have assumed anything related to jacob would be a good change.

Last season, I assumed the healing was done by the monster, but in retrospective, it's kinda weird.

[Null]

He never goes anywhere? How do you explain him touching our main characters before they came/came back to the island?

How has it seemed you missed the point of my last several post here?

What I'm curious to see is why Ben was "changed forever" (I forgot the exact wording) when Richard brought him to the magical healing pool. I would have assumed anything related to jacob would be a good change.

Last season, I assumed the healing was done by the monster, but in retrospective, it's kinda weird.

Same here. Last episode distorted everything I guessed from Ben's interaction last season. Surely Sayid will have some differences but I hope its nothing as large as him actually being Jacob. Sure I like Sayid but I can't imagine the writers would think of him to be a good suit to hold such power of the show.

[Kaylia]

I just can't picture Sayid as jacob, and I'm sure the writter won't take this router....I would be pissed if they make such a retarded decision. I doubt he is the monster as well, since Locke is doing a perfect job at it right now.

My guess is that he will be back as normal Sayid, with "bonus" visions/knowledge/hallucination.

[Tanthalass]

I just can't picture Sayid as jacob, and I'm sure the writter won't take this router....I would be pissed if they make such a retarded decision. I doubt he is the monster as well, since Locke is doing a perfect job at it right now.

My guess is that he will be back as normal Sayid, with "bonus" visions/knowledge/hallucination.

Iirc one of the writers said he is most definitely not Jacob.

[Stiker]

Iirc one of the writers said he is most definitely not Jacob.

Producers said that on Kimmel. IIRC, their exact words were "Your theory will definitely change and grow in the next few weeks." So I would wager Sayid was taken over in some form, but not by Jacob.

[Kaylia]

I've said it before, but whatever...

I'm not sure if anyone played Xenosaga series here, but I think that Jacob and the man in black will play a role similar to chaos and wilhelm in that series.

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Basically, they are the embodiment of mankind's will, or something along these lines. They are characters on their own, but they represent 2 counterpart of human nature, and from there, they wage a war against each other to decide which one offer the best future.

Jacob: Want to let people decide of their own future, for the best, or the worst
MiB: Everyone has a destiny, and because of this, the future is known and "safe" since no one decide it.

I think that kind of duality works well with the show main theme. It also explains why everyone can get flashback, visions or whatever, since they are all a part of the "bigger stuff". It could also make a nice finale where Jack and Locke replace both Jacob and the MiB (which is my guess for the final at the moment)

[ZarakiKujata]

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Basically, they are the embodiment of mankind's will, or something along these lines. They are characters on their own, but they represent 2 counterpart of human nature, and from there, they wage a war against each other to decide which one offer the best future.

Jacob: Want to let people decide of their own future, for the best, or the worst
MiB: Everyone has a destiny, and because of this, the future is known and "safe" since no one decide it.

I think that kind of duality works well with the show main theme. It also explains why everyone can get flashback, visions or whatever, since they are all a part of the "bigger stuff". It could also make a nice finale where Jack and Locke replace both Jacob and the MiB (which is my guess for the final at the moment)

theorycrafting spoiler

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I would disagree with this in part if only because Jacob's pad at the statue is all about his weaving which see just starting in 18th century, and finished when Flocke kills him. To me weaving is meant as a metaphor for the fates loom in Greek Mythology. But really both Jacob/Esau have pushed people towards their 'destiny' by giving the illusion of free will so to a degree I dont think their distinction is based on that.

I think its more about what their view on what humanity wants to do with the island. Jacob sees the corruption brought by black rock, us army, dharma, etc. as inevitable but that in the end its all building towards humanity being able to use the islands unique powers for good/nonselfish purposes whereas Esau sees humanity never being able to get away from their issues. But really I agree with Darlton at least in part because all of our theories may be partially correct but are missing out certain key pieces that are probably the most important variables in any theorycrafting.

[xopher]

I know this goes back quite a while to season 1 but I just figured out who the two corpses in the cave are.

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It's Rose and Bernard. I'll tell you guys why if you want me to spoil it.

[Maguspk]

Can we spoiler the "producers/writers said" kind of stuff? It kind of ruins any mystery that exists when you outright say someone with credibility said something specific to something we as viewers do not yet know

[Auspice]

I know this goes back quite a while to season 1 but I just figured out who the two corpses in the cave are.

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It's Rose and Bernard. I'll tell you guys why if you want me to spoil it.

I've been hearing that for years.

[xopher]

I've been hearing that for years.

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In season 3 when they rescue Karl from Room 23, there's a backwards message playing in the music. It says,

"Only fools are enslaved by time and space."

Which is an anagram for

"bones of Nadlers may lay lost deep in cave"

Bernard's last name is Nadler and Carlton Cuse said that in that episode there is an anagram Easter Egg that explains more about the bodies of Adam and Eve.

My theory about their death:

During the time skips in Season 5 they never caught the final jump because they were so far separated from the group and were forced to live out their lives from 1977 on the island. I'm assuming the white and black rocks were an attempt to identify themselves to the Losties that will be landing in the future.

[Casty]

So, what the hell is up with this recap episode...

EDIT: Nevermind, realized that the new episode is after... thank God.

[ZarakiKujata]

Spoiler: show

In season 3 when they rescue Karl from Room 23, there's a backwards message playing in the music. It says,

"Only fools are enslaved by time and space."

Which is an anagram for

"bones of Nadlers may lay lost deep in cave"

Bernard's last name is Nadler and Carlton Cuse said that in that episode there is an anagram Easter Egg that explains more about the bodies of Adam and Eve.

My theory about their death:

During the time skips in Season 5 they never caught the final jump because they were so far separated from the group and were forced to live out their lives from 1977 on the island. I'm assuming the white and black rocks were an attempt to identify themselves to the Losties that will be landing in the future.

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The time travel if it was like the rest of S5 travel it wouldnt matter where they were. Also black/white has been used to represent jacob/esau more then anything else I'd say

[Null]

FML, planned on going to lunch at 9 so I could watch the episode. Had to go to lunch at 8 and go back to work at 9. I went from the happiest guy in the world, to wanting to fucking kill everybody that looks at me.

Huge request

If any of you know of a site that has it for DL or stream after, could you please PM me No way I am checking the thread until I get a chance to see it.

[Insanecyclone]

FML, planned on going to lunch at 9 so I could watch the episode. Had to go to lunch at 8 and go back to work at 9. I went from the happiest guy in the world, to wanting to fucking kill everybody that looks at me.

No other way to watch the episode? I don't know of any streams showing it but I can look for one


edit: I believe this person will be streaming it

http://www.justin.tv/berry289#r=gvzY8A0

[Insanecyclone]

it's time

[Insanecyclone]

Looks like sawyer is back to his old self now

[Gregorio]

Mac?? haha

[Insanecyclone]

ffffffffffff