Lost: The Final Season (thread is extra spoilery, click at own risk)

[Moosey]

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[ZarakiKujata]

oh my god, I wish I had seen those earlier, I would've gotten those for my brother and sister to hand out at school cause they love lost.

[Maguspk]

Egyptians you mean?

Maybe, but the fact that the title is in Latin and the others speak Latin leads me to believe there is a Roman history somewhere, perhaps they came after the Egyptians.

[MoogleAura]

Was rewatching the episodes that have aired this season so far and wondered, is the guy who was asking Hurley on the plane to do the Australian accent Dr Arzt (sp?) or just a random passenger?

[Suit and Tie]

Was rewatching the episodes that have aired this season so far and wondered, is the guy who was asking Hurley on the plane to do the Australian accent Dr Arzt (sp?) or just a random passenger?

That was Arzt.

[Kaylia]

I had to wiki his name, and damn, I completely forgot about this character.

"You have some...Arnzt...on you." - Hugo


I love how Lost kill the less important character. It's always hilarious how ridiculous their death is, compared to how serious the show is. It was the same with Nikki and paulo, the red shirt, and the 3 guys with Sawyer.

[ZarakiKujata]

I loved how they teased us with Arnzt being introduced like he'd be a new character and then BOOM lol

[Null]

Does anybody here actually like the new cast of the "Others"? I'm not really a fan of the new Asian Richard and I really can't stand the hippy. Was rewatching them and it kinda takes me out of my normal Lost feel.

[Trajan]

Does anybody here actually like the new cast of the "Others"? I'm not really a fan of the new Asian Richard and I really can't stand the hippy. Was rewatching them and it kinda takes me out of my normal Lost feel.

I actually really like both of them, esp Dogan (asian richard). I've heard that he is supposed to have a centric this season? I really hope that's true...

[Insanecyclone]

I actually really like both of them, esp Dogan (asian richard). I've heard that he is supposed to have a centric this season? I really hope that's true...

March 23 is the Richard episode and the producers said Dogen is a very important person to the island.

[Kaylia]

Does anybody here actually like the new cast of the "Others"? I'm not really a fan of the new Asian Richard and I really can't stand the hippy. Was rewatching them and it kinda takes me out of my normal Lost feel.

I have the same issue...their characters are a bit too much of a character. That said, the asian guys explanation in the last episode made sense.

[ZarakiKujata]

Does anybody here actually like the new cast of the "Others"? I'm not really a fan of the new Asian Richard and I really can't stand the hippy. Was rewatching them and it kinda takes me out of my normal Lost feel.

I could take or leave Lennon but Dogen is cool. However I do think they shouldn't have made the dogen character japanese. Not to be racist or anything but idk, a japanese higher up/possible immortal doesnt fit with the latin/egyptian mythos they are creating imo.

[Kaylia]

I personally don't see the latin/egyptian mythos in Lost (outside the obvious element). The way I see it, the island gathered people from all times and ages, and that's why you have a bit of everything on the island.


The statue and hyeroglyph were egyptian, but the temple are closer to mayan architecture, and the boat was from the renaissance. Dharma probably brought the hippy with them since they.

[Byrd]

I personally don't see the latin/egyptian mythos in Lost (outside the obvious element). The way I see it, the island gathered people from all times and ages, and that's why you have a bit of everything on the island.

I wondier if they are going to tie Dogen in with a sunken ship / crashed plane from the WWII era. Either him (or his father or grandfather) might have gotten to the island around that era. Widmore, Eloise and some of the Others from the Jughead episode (1954?) certainly could have been World War II military depositees as well.

[Kaylia]

Crashed plane from WW2 era? The only crashed plane I remember was the one linked to Eko's family.


Considering his look and position, I would say he has been here for a while, but then, only Richard was granted immortality (?), so maybe you're right.

[Insanecyclone]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dogen

* Dōgen was the name of a prominent Japanese Buddhist philosopher, who founded the Sōtō Zen tradition. He was, for much of his life, the head of a monastery, Eihei-ji (which roughly translates to "the temple of eternal peace").
* The historical Dōgen died on September 22, 1253, the same calendar date as the original Oceanic Flight 815 crash.
* Despite being written as "Dogen" using the Roman alphabet, the official name is written in Japanese using different characters than those of the name of the Japanese Buddhist philosopher. "Do" itself is written the same way (道) as written in the name of many martial arts (Aiki-dō, Karate-dō, Ju-dō, Ken-dō) and means "the way/path of." It is also featured in such Japanese concepts as shodō, the "way of writing" (calligraphy), kadō, the "way of flowers" (ikebana or flower arranging) and Shintō, the "way of the gods" (sometimes called Shintoism in English). Interestingly, in Japanese Buddhism/Shintō divinities (which are at times malicious or evil and at times benevolent) are often said to have manifest themselves in our world in human form. The do or dō in Dōgen is also the character that is read in Chinese as Dao (or Tao), which is the root of the English word Daoism (or Taoism). This may connect with Lost's featuring of Chinese ideas (yin/yang) that are loosely related to Daoism. Furthermore, according the producers [2] the character plays a role which has both dignity and delicacy as well (this actually refers to the "-gen" part on the name).
* Dōgen, the Japanese monk credited with founding Sōtō Zen, wrote about time or temporality in his masterpiece, Shōbōgenzō. He attempted to conceptualize a unity of process and event, becoming and being. The argument is something along these lines: a given moment is from one perspective particular, limited, and by nature suffused with delusion, but from another perspective it is simultaneously universal, a complete manifestation of the eternal, and suffused with awakening. To put the basic theory in a nutshell and in Buddhist terms: everything is Buddha and every time is Buddha, we just do not generally recognize this.

* Zhou Daguan is a Chinese diplomat who gave early accounts of the Temple of Angkor Wat and other temples of the Khmer region, which are similar in architecture to the Island Temple. Angkor Wat is located on a mountain and may have been a funerary temple. The design of the temple also includes an inner pond.

# The producers say he holds an important key (as in secret) in the series [3].

[Kaylia]

Locke, Desmond...etc A lot of them are named after philosopher. The last bit was interesting, but I doubt the symbolism will be taken literally here...but who knows.

[ZarakiKujata]

Locke, Desmond...etc A lot of them are named after philosopher. The last bit was interesting, but I doubt the symbolism will be taken literally here...but who knows.

In Lost and Philosophy they actually make a really interesting connection between people who are named after philosophers (Locke, Rousseau, Hume) and the fact that the only person who is from the same school of thinking as those three (Hobbes) is absent, and why its important his philosophy is absent from the show.

But considering the symbolism of those 3 names + Jeremy Bentham and the phiilosophy those guys espoused and how its manifested on the show, I think any insights this Dogen guy had should be considered at some level. Shit even that book Jacob was reading when he fixed Locke in the S5 finale is incredibly relevant to the view of humanity/evolution he discussed in opener last year. Darlton are amazing wikipedia users who then tie shit in quite well lol.

[Byrd]

Crashed plane from WW2 era? The only crashed plane I remember was the one linked to Eko's family.

That thought had occurred to me too; seems to me a 2nd plane would have been seen already. It could also have been a ship or submarine that run aground / sank offshore and they lifeboated to the safety of the island. It would appear that there were two groups of others: one was the Ben Linus group living in the Dharma village, the others appear to live in the temple, although there appears to be at least some overlap (Cindy, Zack, Emma, Aldo). The cultural differences between the 50's Americans (Widmore/Eloise/Richard?) and the Japanese (Dogen) might explain the apparent social tensions between the Others and the Temple Others. Or I could just be smoking crack.

[Null]

Speaking of books they read in the show, did anybody catch the name of the book Desmond was reading in LA X?