McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Law Shut Down

[Rhinox]

Oh you and your galactic senate. Conservative principles be damn!


btw your little law would mean dick. Considering all corporations would need to do is buy the chairmen of the corresponding committee. Fuck you would be doing them a favor

There's probably enough dumb shit that taxes don't need to be raised. It's as simple as that. There is no contradiction.

The reason you don't like it is b/c it would be much harder to pass legislation, i.e. it might be the end of the liberal agenda.

:facepalm:


relying on talking points when backed into a corner is something Leif does swampy. It doesn't fit you well.


to expand on what I said since you missed it.

Since in your galactic senate it wouldn't be viable to buy individual senators/congressmen all corporations would have to do now is buy the Chairs of the committee they are intrested in. I would hope I don't have to explain to you how bills are made/passed do I? Or how the Chairs/party leaders set the agenda not individual senators/congressman. If that was the case Bush and Cheney would have been impeached a long time ago.

[Rhinox]

and with that I'm off to bed. goodnight

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

So you're assuming it would make it easier for conservatives why . . . ?

I'm not assuming it would make it easier for conservatives. Just like it would make it harder for liberals to do anything, it would make it harder for conservatives to I would assume. What I'm not assuming is that it would make it harder for corporations to influence legislation.

And actually Rhino, you are going to have to explain it to me. I don't see how b/c of committee chairmen it would make it easier.

[Solefald]

conservatives hate judicial activism (when it's convenient)

[Rhinox]

I'm not assuming it would make it easier for conservatives. Just like it would make it harder for liberals to do anything, it would make it harder for conservatives to I would assume. What I'm not assuming is that it would make it harder for corporations to influence legislation.

And actually Rhino, you are going to have to explain it to me. I don't see how b/c of committee chairmen it would make it easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fp3WcxYKbc

They would only have to concentrate on bribing committee chairs and Party leaders. essentially making it cheaper.

It's so partisan in congress especially on the right that they would vote party line every time so long as you throw in a clause or amendment their way.


Sinking in yet?

[Howard Roark]

Howie lol

:3

[Kuya]

It should be noted, that the reason why this is so bad for Democrats is more about the fact that this gives Republicans an advantage given that the latter more often uses corporate backing. So in the cynical perspective, the Dems are less concerned that government is being further corrupted by private interests and more concerned over the fact that they don't get as much of an advantage out of this. As for the rest of us who don't really care much for the Dems or Republicans, this effectively means that our voices and votes mean less than they used to.

[Beckwin]

But Kuya, how can we be mad at unions about this?

That's the core issue here.

[Olo401]

If you guys want to limit corporations power, all we need to do repeal the law that limits congress to 435 members. Corporations would have a lot less power if they had to flip the votes of 3500+ people. Millions would turn to hundreds.

It's about time Swampy had a smart idea..

And as far as the pay rate goes.. you lower it. 50k/year salary plus room & board in DC, benefits & expenses related to the job. There's no need to pay a congressman $167k/year when they spend millions in a campaign.

[Beckwin]

I mean I guess it'd be cool if there were a ton more congressmen, but what about senators?

I think the senate is the more fucked up branch of the legislature.

[Olo401]

I mean I guess it'd be cool if there were a ton more congressmen, but what about senators?

I think the senate is the more fucked up branch of the legislature.

The Senate should be completely eliminated, as should be the President's cabinet be replaced with legislative branch ministers.

[Rhinox]

It's about time Swampy had a smart idea..

And as far as the pay rate goes.. you lower it. 50k/year salary plus room & board in DC, benefits & expenses related to the job. There's no need to pay a congressman $167k/year when they spend millions in a campaign.

Then you would have more and more legislators using their position of power as a stepping stone. Or you would have grossly incompentant people with Jesus behind them making rules based on what Jesus told them.

Not to mention it Wouldn't stem the tide of the growing plutocracy in this country. If anything. It would make it much worst since you can't raise a family on 50k a year without being in poverty or damn near close to it.

[Plow]

as should be the President's cabinet be replaced with legislative branch ministers.

how on earth does this possibly make sense at all?

[willriker]

It should be noted, that the reason why this is so bad for Democrats is more about the fact that this gives Republicans an advantage given that the latter more often uses corporate backing. So in the cynical perspective, the Dems are less concerned that government is being further corrupted by private interests and more concerned over the fact that they don't get as much of an advantage out of this. As for the rest of us who don't really care much for the Dems or Republicans, this effectively means that our voices and votes mean less than they used to.

I was listening to NPR on the way home last night. They had a discusion with, crap i forget the name... but it was on at about 530pm est. But, he was saying how this judgement was a wonderful thing. And that it was great for 'Middle Class America'. They also made note that this judgement not only allows corporations to invest unlimited funds, but is also allows Unions to invest unlimited funds into any federal election.

I am struggling with both of these opinions. I am struggling to figure out how this does anything but dilute the opinions of an opposing party. 10 million dollars, in the couple weeks before the election can buy every available spot of time for political TV ads. It would leave nothing for the opposing party. Lets just say that a company wants to spend that money, but union(s) oppose the action. I really dont think the Unions would be able to raise as much capital as a company who is bent on achieving a certain outcome.

If you do not believe me, look at how much money was spent by the Tobacco companies. How much money was spent by Pharmecudical companies. How much money is spent by Health Care companies. How much money is spent be producers of high fructose corn syrup. How much money is spent by the banking industry.

The one saving grace is that the people of the united states elect their representatives. But one has to recognize how much people opinion changes when faced but advertizements hell bent on convincing the voter to change there mind. Truth be damned.

Do they expect private citizens to invest more capital into a politicians campaing to balance the spending of a corporation? I dont think so. Most people refuse to give up ten dollars to help someone struck by an earth quake, and had to have half their foot amputated with unsanitzed scizzors to stave off gang green... these people sure as hell wont be investing in a political candidate.

While i do not agree with most republican initiatives, i completely agreed with John McCain's approach to this issue. in addition, I do not see how the court can justify reversing 100 years of legal precident when nothing has changed but the political makeup of the court.

[Acturus]

in addition, I do not see how the court can justify reversing 100 years of legal precident when nothing has changed but the political makeup of the court.

This bothered me as well. It was a party-line vote on an issue that was blown out of proportion from the original intent of the case.

I'm not usually a tin-foil hat guy, but it felt very weird to see this happen, happen quickly, and happen the way it did.

[Kuya]

Aren't you a conservative? You think the republicans are out to sell america or something?

[antihero]

oh hey look, more people arguing about government shit that they will never affect directly or indirectly. glad bg could provide the soapbox, get back to your dayjobs, sheep.

[Kuya]

lol

[Acturus]

Aren't you a conservative? You think the republicans are out to sell america or something?

Conservative? I guess so. Republican? not at all.

[Olo401]

Bucket man I fucking love your sig img..