is anyone Linkshell bank got banned for RMT?

[rog]

SE has implemented automated systems to "detect" rmt activities. Large amounts of gil traded back and forth I suspect are flags. I've had harvesting mules suspected of being rmt before and many others have as well.

Odin being a closed server, items take time to sell if sell at all so LS banks on Odin are quite large.

Are you sure? That seems unlikely, because as i said before, i used to trade a minimum of 10~20m (and as much as 50m on a few occasions) a day from my lvl 1 mule account to my main account every single day, for a good 2 months. Neither account was ever banned (at least not for rmt).

[Byrthnoth]

I used to send myself 1-mil over and over daily from my bazaar mule and my name was an anagram for rmt (MrT). Got the account banned for Salvage duping, but never heard anything about it before that.

Could be some kind of an AH Gil spent to Gil Traded/Sent/Spent ratio thing, or at least that's how I'd set my RMT catcher up if I was making one. Possibly with a filter for total account playtime and total gil level. RMT generally trade/send gil and sell items, but don't generally purchase items from the AH. Unfortunately, my filter would hit things like LS banks set up like this as well because they have the same behavior as RMT banks.

In short, might be smart to buy things from your LS bank from time to time and maybe to connect it to a real account. Just be thankful they don't ban all accounts that were frequently associated with your bank as well.

[Ermac]

Its ok rich, ald is ok. Thornys a guy who thinks Beast Masters pets in dynamis link with other mobs....from what I hear....as for other members all I have to say is Chrissie and her gang basically joined Trip, little emo click.

[richardd]

Its ok rich, ald is ok. Thornys a guy who thinks Beast Masters pets in dynamis link with other mobs....from what I hear....as for other members all I have to say is Chrissie and her gang basically joined Trip, little emo click.

gawd, i miss the old gang.

off subject, but hey, i was at farmington hills like 3 months ago. lol, i wish i had your number, i woulda checked out that restaurant! glad to see you still pimpin' it out. you better still have that caddy!

on subject: ya, i agree with Merona on the subject of SE banning people for suspected RMT rather than doing an -actual- investigation and seeing it being linked to an IP of the LS sack holder/leader distributing items/etc to other LS members. Its easy to jump to a conclusion when you got a Russian roulette ban tool at your expense. but everyone is different and entitled to their own. a payout every week sounds pretty pimp, but thats why people invest in DKP/other stuff. Giving payouts like that, weekly is a giant headache

[Aevis]

our ls is doing monthly paychecks for ~2.5 years and never got into trouble. although we never got that high numbers (highest was ~50M in a month afaik), because we don't do kings and keep 99% of the drops, especially the high priced ones (sw/di, pw, ebody, novio etc.)

[Narse]

When I took over Apathy, I moved the LS bank from one the old LS bank mule that Sinus owned to another account that I owned, this was ~Summer 2009. He directly handed over ~780 million gil to me at the time, and I was never flagged for anything. Later on I decided to split the gil up to another account of mine and moved over ~400 mil to another account, and never had any issues.

[ZhiGaruda]

Its ok rich, ald is ok. Thornys a guy who thinks Beast Masters pets in dynamis link with other mobs....from what I hear....as for other members all I have to say is Chrissie and her gang basically joined Trip, little emo click.

It's ok Rich, Ald is ok. I base this off of a rumor I have heard.

In reality, Aldaris was syphoning the bank for the last couple of months. As stated prior, he did absolutely nothing to make gil, as any member of Trip could verify, he just kept stating that he had gil left over from inflation back in the day.

When questioned about the amount in the bank, he would promptly kick the member asking. This happened 2 or 3 times, until finally everyone in the LS was too scared to question it, and just went on about their business as usual. Meanwhile, Aldaris was buying thousands of alexandrite for 3k a pop for his Nirvana!

Oh, did I mention Trip broke recently because of Ald jacking the bank @.@

[Byrthnoth]

This is a stupid place to have this discussion, especially because literally none of the people involved are posting. As the only person in this discussion who has a Trip pearl still, Trip died because there were multiple waves of drama and it lost (kicked, quit, server transferred, etc) a few regular members and all but one sack stopped logging in.

Still, here's where the people in this conversation were when this was happening:
1) I was in Europe/starting grad school when whatever broke Trip up was happening.
2) Zhi was on Remora
3) Thorny was on Remora
4) Ermac stopped playing as much as he used to at least 2 years ago and became an Einherjar mule
5) Richardd was in Florida

Personally, I doubt Ald would ever do anything that would risk his account, and I don't see him being the very naughty taru that some people are portraying him as. He was responsible and honest enough that we trusted him to hold the bank in SA, which was essentially closed books despite the once-a-month updated thread on the forums. Also, Ald was the only person I know who knew about the tripling thing and said "No", foregoing Salvage because he didn't want to risk his account.
If you guys want to know where the bank went, think a little harder about the amount of gil you were making and spending. Then factor in that they funded a relic as well. Even if they started with 100mil from SA, I'd bet that it is essentially all gone. I know when I was in Trip, it sure wasn't breaking even gil-wise. Too many carry-over reward systems from when the LS was a more profitable venture due to having more motivated/skilled players.
For instance, they paid 2mil/pop for Cloud Evokers to LS members, but then couldn't kill Bahamut v2 for so long that they had a huge backup of Orbs. Then when they did go to kill, it wasn't a 100% win rate (I remember a 1/3 night?). There's not much profit in a system like that. Doing a 5-10mil Dynamis attestation/etc every other month hardly qualifies as amazing profit, it barely keeps the bank solvent considering they hoarded the currency rather than selling it and were paying for 2 glasses and 2 lamps a week (1600k gil). Also keep in mind that the LS partially funded a relic (G-horn) during that time, which probably burned the rest of the bank.

Basically, I'd be shocked if the bank had enough gil left in it to buy much of anything. It isn't like Ald started with the whole SA bank. His playtime had dropped towards the end of SA and the other (now banned) sacks were keeping a substantial amount of the bank on them. I'd be surprised if Trip started with over 70mil, and I'd be really surprised if it ended with over 10mil.

[Thorny]

3) Thorny was on Remora

I was questioning the bank gil as soon as he started talking about Nirvana, which is probably part of why everyone who joined with me was kicked over fucking KA.. Magikarp could confirm this for anyone. This was months before I moved to Remora.

I know when I was in Trip, it sure wasn't breaking even gil-wise.

It was making profit, albeit not much. While I was in trip, there was not a single payout for several months and dynamis may have gone badly but it was still profit. A 1/3 bahamut night is still not terrible, considering a 2m evoker is 1.4m loss after mats from ouryu. One bahamut win averages ~4m without selling ra/ex, for a net of -200k. They did not have many 1/3 nights, though their win rate was disgusting for the amount of gear and job flexibility they had. My current shell pays 2m for an evoker and has still made significant profit from Bahamut2.

Doing a 5-10mil Dynamis attestation/etc every other month hardly qualifies as amazing profit, it barely keeps the bank solvent considering they hoarded the currency rather than selling it and were paying for 2 glasses and 2 lamps a week (1600k gil). Also keep in mind that the LS partially funded a relic (G-horn) during that time, which probably burned the rest of the bank.

The LS partially funded it, but in a few months of dynamis(which I was present for) they got a big chunk of currency that they held onto as you said. A single 5m sale will pay for 3 weeks of dyna/ein, so yes that does mean something.

Basically, I'd be shocked if the bank had enough gil left in it to buy much of anything. It isn't like Ald started with the whole SA bank. His playtime had dropped towards the end of SA and the other (now banned) sacks were keeping a substantial amount of the bank on them. I'd be surprised if Trip started with over 70mil, and I'd be really surprised if it ended with over 10mil.

None of this changes that he funded a Nirvana and bought a Speed Belt on the side with no farming on his part. Could he have gil stored from inflation? Quite possible. If he did, however, this raises the question: Why didn't he post what the bank had for gil? An extensive summary of all transactions takes a bit of time and it is moderately understandable if he couldn't manage this(though most shells do this anyway). However, updating the current amount every few days takes next to no time or effort(3 minute check/update if you have to log on mule from pol closed every time). Whether the extent mentioned before(people getting kicked for asking about bank) is true or not, he refused to ever give a concrete number for the amount of gil in it. This is extremely sketchy, there is no talking around that.

[Byrthnoth]

Well, I was there for one successful Attestation sale and 0 successful Bahamut v2 R/Ex sales and I was with the LS for two months. I'd guess that we were just barely breaking even on Bahamut v2 with the loss record. I just don't see much defraying the cost of their events, and then they're also funding a relic.

I doubt they kicked you for asking about the bank or KA so much as because none of them liked you and you were constantly pointing out their inadequacies and asking them to do more work (like keep an open bank). I was at that KA with you and Bind and I didn't get kicked. Not that you were a bad player, just that they weren't a big fan of back talk.

I'm not entirely sure where this resentment about Ald "stealing the bank" comes from anyway. We seem to be agreeing that Trip was not responsible for the vast bulk of the bank's balance, so why should people who have only been in Trip (or not in the case of Zhi) care where it goes?

If the linkshell is failing so hard that it can't even turn a profit in a scheme that does 0 payouts, why should its members be entitled to funded Salvage pieces? Why do they deserve funded abjurations? Because the sacks copy-pasted the rules from SA? Get profitable, then get paid.

Only thing I'd have done differently with the bank is give Darlin about 10mil when she restarted. Took guts to restart from scratch, and she had it coming anyway from the work she put in in SA.

[Thorny]

Well, I was there for one successful Attestation sale and 0 successful Bahamut v2 R/Ex sales and I was with the LS for two months. I'd guess that we were just barely breaking even on Bahamut v2 with the loss record. I just don't see much defraying the cost of their events, and then they're also funding a relic.

The relic was partially funded, and you're taking out months of dynamis currency from profit when trying to argue your point. Clearly those went toward the relic.

I doubt they kicked you for asking about the bank or KA so much as because none of them liked you and you were constantly pointing out their inadequacies and asking them to do more work (like keep an open bank). I was at that KA with you and Bind and I didn't get kicked. Not that you were a bad player, just that they weren't a big fan of back talk.

As I said, I am not aware of people who were kicked for asking about the bank but it certainly wasn't well recieved. A leader refusing to give his members a concrete # for bank's gil is ridiculous, especially considering he pulled out AV drops months later to give away to whom he saw fit..

I'm not entirely sure where this resentment about Ald "stealing the bank" comes from anyway. We seem to be agreeing that Trip was not responsible for the vast bulk of the bank's balance, so why should people who have only been in Trip (or not in the case of Zhi) care where it goes?

People care if banks are stolen. It's worse if the guy stealing it is a complete tool. This is news to you?

If the linkshell is failing so hard that it can't even turn a profit in a scheme that does 0 payouts, why should its members be entitled to funded Salvage pieces? Why do they deserve funded abjurations? Because the sacks copy-pasted the rules from SA? Get profitable, then get paid.

I'm not arguing about this. I pointed out that Aldaris paid for a Speed Belt and his Mythic out of the bank's gil behind people's backs. If he mentioned that the bank was paying the lion's share for his gear and people were okay with it, that would be one thing. Him doing it without allowing anyone to know is quite another.

Only thing I'd have done differently with the bank is give Darlin about 10mil when she restarted. Took guts to restart from scratch, and she had it coming anyway from the work she put in in SA.

I didn't really get to know her, but definitely seconded.

An extensive summary of all transactions takes a bit of time and it is moderately understandable if he couldn't manage this(though most shells do this anyway). However, updating the current amount every few days takes next to no time or effort(3 minute check/update if you have to log on mule from pol closed every time).

[Byrthnoth]

Oh, Ald never bought a Mythic with the LS bank. If I'm not mistaken, and I might be, he sold all the currency he had collected for G-horn while in SA and used the gil to hoard Alexandrite for a while, but in the end I think he sold them back when it became obvious he wasn't going to finish.

I don't know anything about a speed belt, but if I had to guess I'd say it's probably the same gil reapplied.

[ZhiGaruda]

The part that neither of you are mentioning, because I can only assume it wasn't exactly public. Aldaris was left with a massive amount of Dynamis currency and alexandrite leftover from the SA bank, which had been amassed on other servers before the Salvage bans.

When asked about this - by long term members - he stated it did not exist. Ask Dank~

[Strai]

this is why ls banks are a fail system -_-;

This is why SE's development team is a fail system. Basic MMO requirements include ingame tools to organize guild money/loot/events.

They haven't even glanced at their linkshell system past Sacks and Shellholders having a "Kick" button, not to mention the person has to be online AND wearing the pearl in order for the button to work.

[tsaroth816]

Probably transfered all the gil to another account then went ahead and got the bank account banned for something on purpose walking away with all the gil and the ls members blaming SE.

This sounds the most plausible. You recently changed rules to hand out gil to lesser members daily? Someone with access to bank probably didn't like the new rule, and used it as excuse to cover it all up and get it banned purposely (since others have access to bank too). 200mil, AV items, Speed belt, etc sounds like the perfect opportunity.

Think of the hundreds (thousands?) of LS banks that never had a problem before. SE rep saying it was auto-ban makes it sound even more suspicious.

[Hex]

This wouldn't be the first time a good amount of their LS bank was stolen by someone. The more I thought about it, the more I'd have to go with there's a good chance someone ripped the bank off and got the account banned. Just by talking to a few members of this LS, they think this is a very plausible scenario also.

While in the long run it sucks to lose what you lost, there's reasons why you can't have so many ppl handling important things. If you only had 2-3 people max handling this you'd be able to easily narrow down what went wrong. With the number of people who had access it's easier to avoid any blame and get caught if something fishy did go on.

[Tyseng]

My bank mule would trade in and out about 200 to 400 mil a month, depending on how well things were going and it never got touched. My money is on the person not telling the full story.

I don't put trust in many people but I do trust our banker 100%, there is a 0% chance she was involved in anything RMT. Squeenix just needs to hire Samuel L. Jackson to slap the shit out of the people that made this poorly designed automated ban system.

[Ermac]

Oh, Ald never bought a Mythic with the LS bank. If I'm not mistaken, and I might be, he sold all the currency he had collected for G-horn while in SA and used the gil to hoard Alexandrite for a while, but in the end I think he sold them back when it became obvious he wasn't going to finish.

I don't know anything about a speed belt, but if I had to guess I'd say it's probably the same gil reapplied.

Your correct Byrth, he has sold all alex because he knew the relic was not going to get done, and said the gil with the rest of the bank will be split or w/e to SA/Trip members.

A lot of narrow minded people just don't know so they investigate and make false assumption. I logged onto to his account he has over 100M and even more with AV Items that where kept banked to give out to members after the break. If ald was a tool he would of been long gone like Draken...with everything.

Anyways how u been Byrth? Been awhile...

The part that neither of you are mentioning, because I can only assume it wasn't exactly public. Aldaris was left with a massive amount of Dynamis currency and alexandrite leftover from the SA bank, which had been amassed on other servers before the Salvage bans.

When asked about this - by long term members - he stated it did not exist. Ask Dank~

As far as currency goes, Dank held all currency during salvage bans. Ald only kept the bank
SA never kept alex, Bank wise for ls members. Dank had his own alex for his blm mythic so that's where confusion may be drawn out.

Ald had his own gil for currency with some help from the SA bank to help with Ghorn but never completed, Smokeyirish completed the horn with the currency that was given to aldaris that was passed to SmokeyIrish.

The currency from other servers was banned because SE banned his mule for collecting currency on other servers for some strange reason. Upon that happening Ald gave the whole bank to dankster, he did not feel safe if he was being accused of RMT activity. Ask Dank~

[Byrthnoth]

Anyways how u been Byrth? Been awhile...

lol, grad school didn't keep me as busy as I'd assumed it would so I'm back dicking around in Vana again. Now grad school is kinda picking up again so I don't really want to join another event shell and just kinda keep Trip and my old social as socials. Merit, level BST and DNC, solo NMs, keep it casual.

[willriker]

I don't put trust in many people but I do trust our banker 100%, there is a 0% chance she was involved in anything RMT. Squeenix just needs to hire Samuel L. Jackson to slap the shit out of the people that made this poorly designed automated ban system.

agreed 100% agreed

No way our banker took the gil and then got the bank 'auto banned'. It just wouldnt happen. Our banker actually enjoyed giving money to the members.