Former child molestor sentenced to five years in jail for posting videos on Youtube

[Kainos]

OP has anime lolis in his sig and hails from joseph fritzel's homeland, of course he's outraged. just sayin.

But in all seriousness no one is going to pity this guys, it's his own fault. The real outrage is that these people ruin the lives of innocent children and on average get much less jail time than drug offenders

[pahnphoenix]

The discussion ended for me on page 1, I merely made a comment regarding child molestors in general, I'm sorry if that wasn't clear enough.

I accepted the general opinion and stayed with my own, blaming it on different opinions regarding the treatment of child molestors, simple as that, mainly because there's nothing I can do about that. Nothing I can say would suddenly change anyone's opinion and I'd hate to take this discussion too far since the topic is rather delicate, especially since the lack of children of my own makes it hard to understand the feelings of someone who has to worry about their children being molested.
I have an idea why people would choose not to forgive a child molestor, but since I have yet to experience parental feelings from the non-receiving end, I choose to keep my opinion that I'll forgive anyone who actually tries to make up for his crimes.

Some people think that the 5-year imprisonment is justified since he violated his probation, I understand that, it's the law. Being a bit more of the forgiving type I thought that it was far too harsh considering he actually changed for the better, but what am I going to do? Throw random insults at people? We live by the values the media and our peers impose upon us, some more than others.
Obviously most of the people here have other values, causing them to have other opinions concerning the treatment of child-molestors, but I can argue all I want, no one's values are going to change.
Accepting those opinions is essential if you ask me, I do not intend to take an intolerant stance towards anyone here.

That's everything, I'm sorry if I annoyed you for whatever reason since you do not really seem to be fond of me.

some meta-talk, i'd caution you to not be so quick to take the attitude you take in the 2nd paragraph; specifically, try to be slower to jump to "well, our opinions/premises are different, so let's just be nice and drop this." there's always a chance that one of the people talking is failing to appreciate one of the points of their interlocutor, which seems to be what's happening for you here.

you don't seem to understand what probation is, nor that the appropriateness of this guy heading back to jail has nothing to do with forgiveness. bottom line-talk, he did, *to the letter*, something that he knew in advance meant "time to go back to jail" if caught. more touchy feely talk, there's such a thing as personal responsibility. this guy is just one of the few who are actually being held responsible for their bad acts. the restrictions of parole are a continuation of his taking responsibility for his crime. that he fucked up again entitles him to no further sympathy. if you want to be like me (anarchist) and look at things from a larger, system-oriented point of view, sex offenders violating parole is very serious. it's better for laws to be followed to the letter (or changed if they're unjust) than followed selectively. there's no principled distinction b/w this guy's parole violation being excused "because he became a better person" and another offender who "became a better person" but had a momentary lapse and committed a violation more indicative of recidivism. as per the law, both belong back in jail, which is a good thing.

so, large point: don't hide behind "we have different opinions/views so i won't try to understand you." when you do that, you shirk responsibility like the pedophile who posts on youtube despite his parole agreement. smaller point: some idiot uncontroversially went back to jail for being stupid and irresponsible.

[Khamsin]

At first I thought he posted CP on youtube and violated his probation, and figured it was odd the "URL contains video and article". But even so, nothing of value was lost by him going back to prison.

If he hadn't molested kids in the first place, he could be posting on youtube all he wants. Something to think about next time someone considers whether to molest someone or not.

[Kuya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wdmSL2-Ock

I dunno, this would probably be hilarious if I didn't know this man was a child molester before-hand. Watch allllll the way to the end, the "buh bye" is like a verbal e-rape all in one.

Where is the flash of this that divides into multiple windows?

[Qalbert]

on the last page I think

[Kuya]

Qalbert, are you a child? Because i think i'm going to touch you.

[Qalbert]

Qalbert, are you a child? Because i think i'm going to touch you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4urFjPhCVGw

[Khajit]

my god watching that video... I'm going to have nightmares ;/

You know something is fucked up and weird when tentacle taru/galka diarrhea bukkake porno cat is scared of it.

[Cyn]

This was one of those movies that was awesome when you were 10 or under. Years later you realize how retarded it actually is.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FV4qP-kONJ...JOLIE+1995.jpg

Exactly!

Probation is a get out of jail early card......... and if you fuck it up, oh well enjoy rest of sentence in prison.

Maybe it's different state to state, but here parole is the get out of jail early card and probation is the don't go to jail (includes credit for time served) card.

Only 1 year and 9 months left on my probation! Yaaaayyyyy......

[Pirian]

Radio-edit fail.

[Gulkeeva]

You know something is fucked up and weird when tentacle taru/galka diarrhea bukkake porno cat is scared of it.

taru on galka diarrhea bukkake porno sounds almost as bad!

[Petitssk]

Spoiler: show

some meta-talk, i'd caution you to not be so quick to take the attitude you take in the 2nd paragraph; specifically, try to be slower to jump to "well, our opinions/premises are different, so let's just be nice and drop this." there's always a chance that one of the people talking is failing to appreciate one of the points of their interlocutor, which seems to be what's happening for you here.

you don't seem to understand what probation is, nor that the appropriateness of this guy heading back to jail has nothing to do with forgiveness. bottom line-talk, he did, *to the letter*, something that he knew in advance meant "time to go back to jail" if caught. more touchy feely talk, there's such a thing as personal responsibility. this guy is just one of the few who are actually being held responsible for their bad acts. the restrictions of parole are a continuation of his taking responsibility for his crime. that he fucked up again entitles him to no further sympathy. if you want to be like me (anarchist) and look at things from a larger, system-oriented point of view, sex offenders violating parole is very serious. it's better for laws to be followed to the letter (or changed if they're unjust) than followed selectively. there's no principled distinction b/w this guy's parole violation being excused "because he became a better person" and another offender who "became a better person" but had a momentary lapse and committed a violation more indicative of recidivism. as per the law, both belong back in jail, which is a good thing.

so, large point: don't hide behind "we have different opinions/views so i won't try to understand you." when you do that, you shirk responsibility like the pedophile who posts on youtube despite his parole agreement. smaller point: some idiot uncontroversially went back to jail for being stupid and irresponsible.

First of all, thanks for your insightful comment, I'll keep your advice in mind in the future, though part of me saying that had to do with the fact that this is BG and some efforts tend to be wasted here.

As for me failing to appreciate one of the other party's points, looking back I think you're quite right actually. I do understand the concept of probation (thanks for explaining, though), I just didn't look at the case from a "He knew what was coming"-point of view which certainly puts things into a different perspective.
Evaluating the situation, it probably would have been better for him to simply request permission to use a computer or whatever; the way it turned out wasn't really for the best.

[Demosthenes11]

the issue here isn't whether or not you were logical about this story, it is that you judged before this story was even read.

"former child molester" = you thinking they are automatically fixed people after jail

im not saying im assuming the opposite, but you are glass man

[Petitssk]

the issue here isn't whether or not you were logical about this story, it is that you judged before this story was even read.

"former child molester" = you thinking they are automatically fixed people after jail

im not saying im assuming the opposite, but you are glass man

I understand your point here, I chose "former" mainly in regards to this case, not child molestors/molesters (What's the difference between the two anyway?) in general, since the man in question had not been mentioned in any molestation-related cases (barring his probation for moving without notifying the authorities) since his release, hence the reason why I brought this up in the first place.

It wasn't intended to be a judgement, though I can see why one would think it was. Bit too ambiguous there, my bad.

[Qalbert]

the point is that the label does not expire. You cannot be a former criminal/rapist/molester/murderer/etc. By definition the terms mean one who has committed an act of that nature, not one who is continuing to do so.

[Demosthenes11]

I understand your point here, I chose "former" mainly in regards to this case, not child molestors/molesters (What's the difference between the two anyway?) in general, since the man in question had not been mentioned in any molestation-related cases (barring his probation for moving without notifying the authorities) since his release, hence the reason why I brought this up in the first place.

It wasn't intended to be a judgement, though I can see why one would think it was. Bit too ambiguous there, my bad.

this "justification" doesn't absolve it from being a judgment. judgments aren't always things we do consciously. it's ok to admit our biases

[kareface]

Edit: NM, I can't read.

[willriker]

Lesson Learned: Only molest twinks.

[Day]

I understand your point here, I chose "former" mainly in regards to this case, not child molestors/molesters (What's the difference between the two anyway?) in general, since the man in question had not been mentioned in any molestation-related cases (barring his probation for moving without notifying the authorities) since his release, hence the reason why I brought this up in the first place.

It wasn't intended to be a judgement, though I can see why one would think it was. Bit too ambiguous there, my bad.

Did you really just ask the difference between molestation and child molestation. Tell me you didn't really just ask that.

[dejet]

1st off what was the 1st case? did he rape a kid in the first place?
There is little reason for me to answer to this thread really, anyone who does harm to a kid and they did it to *please* themself is sick and I wish would be jailed for life. Harsh, unreal, extreem? Just me.

Taking away all that from my mind, haveing a PC being a crime is out of hand. How they plan to keep track is just mind blowing, this is a case where they got the guy, but really whats to stop him from getting a laptop and using it at a WIIFI spot.

Guy is not all there it would seems. He did break the law, so I would have to say that he should go to jail. A PC to him(or any pedo) is like giving a gun to someone who murders people. That is really my final view after this long pointless post.