Random Question Thread VII: I Find Your Lack of Research Disturbing

[Callisto]

I don't disagree that it's the superior ring, I'm just making the point that it's not the whole black & white "if you have a DD leveled, Rajas is best" as it was put. In actual practice, Rajas is going to be a small % increase to my output. In actual practice, Tamas is a small % increase to my RDM and SCH, in all likelihood a smaller % than Rajas. But that is applied to 80-90% of my playtime, whereas the Rajas increase would be applied to maybe 5-7% of it tops.

[Seedz]

At the risk of getting massively owned from my general lack of knowledge for mages, what single spell do you cast that requires MND and INT at the same time?

None. As I said earlier, Tamas is a personal choice. Sattva not as much since it offers some unique things (although they are lulz at best), but it's still only a "status symbol" for old-school tanks (at least that's my view on it), arguably just like how people still see D.ring as the end all be all of tank rings, when it's actually a very situational piece (another status item rly).

[Callisto]

D.Ring is the end-all of all rings ever, obv.

Add:

Now, when it comes to Rajas, there are massive improvements. Several weapon skills benefit from having both STR and DEX present. For TP, almost every job, in top-of-the-line builds, require Rajas ring to maintain a specific X-hit build. Of course downgrades can be made, in the form of White Tathlum, Echphoria ring, Atilla's earring and the like, but again, this is specifically looking at the BEST build possible.

This is the only part where I think it's being slightly over-estimated as to the potential increase. 60%~ of the time(slightly more b/c of merits, didn't feel like mathing the exact %), I'm going to have Aggressor up. Even if I had Rajas, I would still be TPing in Askar body seeing as how the 2% DA is likely going to be a larger overall increase than another option(sans maybe E.Body/Ares'/etc, again not an option atm), which means were I to dump the Rajas there, I would still have the same #-hit.

KJ: The DEX is not doing anything, and I'm already using a Flame Ring.

RR: I use Thunder(for Greater Colibri) or Flame, so yes here I am missing out on either 1 fSTR or possibly a couple of crit %, definitely different there.

That leaves the only real time that I'd be gaining a benefit of more than 1fSTR/5 Sublte blow to be the 40%~ of the time that I do not have Aggressor up, and even then, only the situations where I whiff WS hits and cannot cover a #-hit without the added TP from them, which is not the majority of that time.

[FailureMidgard]

Melee damage is your typical testosterone-fuelled, muscle-flexing, cavemanning territory, which goes some way towards explaining the typical "Rajas > all" mentality displayed even by those who hardly benefit from it at all.

I think you meant to say "soloing" instead of "melee damage" there. People like Rajas because it's still more unique than Tamas, and still has 3 (questionable 4th) stats that are all being used -at the same time-. Logic is why people say Rajas>all, you have a serious superiority complex on things that you aren't even correct about. There are 0 spells in the game that you need both int and mnd for.
I don't think anyone truly believes every mage should have a Rajas, but if you have a 2h DD you care at all about, Rajas will do more for it than Tamas will for your mage. There isn't really any valid debate against that...

[Seedz]

On the subject of rings: I'm going to be dropping Sattva for Rajas soon, so I'm kind of wondering about the use of Rajas for KC RNG TP. I'm asking because so far using toreador's/sniper's+1 I've yet to "sit" at 98-99% TP, and I'm wondering if the 7 acc may be better than the STR, STP and DEX from Rajas. As a disclaimer, I'm still lv74, soon to be 75.

[FailureMidgard]

This is the only part where I think it's being slightly over-estimated as to the potential increase. 60%~ of the time(slightly more b/c of merits, didn't feel like mathing the exact %), I'm going to have Aggressor up. Even if I had Rajas, I would still be TPing in Askar body seeing as how the 2% DA is likely going to be a larger overall increase than another option(sans maybe E.Body/Ares'/etc, again not an option atm), which means were I to dump the Rajas there, I would still have the same #-hit.

KJ: The DEX is not doing anything, and I'm already using a Flame Ring.

RR: I use Thunder(for Greater Colibri) or Flame, so yes here I am missing out on either 1 fSTR or possibly a couple of crit %, definitely different there.

That leaves the only real time that I'd be gaining a benefit of more than 1fSTR/5 Sublte blow to be the 40%~ of the time that I do not have Aggressor up, and even then, only the situations where I whiff WS hits and cannot cover a #-hit without the added TP from them, which is not the majority of that time.

Did you miss the fact this all came up over your paladin's gear? Why are you responding with your warrior?
Also, I'm roughly 100% certain your gearsets will not support everything you just tried to say, but even if it did, wtf @ only having your hit build 60% of the time...

[FailureMidgard]

On the subject of rings: I'm going to be dropping Sattva for Rajas soon, so I'm kind of wondering about the use of Rajas for KC RNG TP. I'm asking because so far using toreador's/sniper's+1 I've yet to "sit" at 98-99% TP, and I'm wondering if the 7 acc may be better than the STR, STP and DEX from Rajas. As a disclaimer, I'm still lv74, soon to be 75.

In a perfect, average world, 5 storeTP closes the gap from 95 to 100 TP, not 98-99 to 100. In either case, Rajas makes you require 1 less hit (14 > 13 hits), so it saves you 1 hit per 14 swings. 5 accuracy is 2.5 hitrate, for 2.5 hitrate to be 1/14, you need to be below what, 35% accuracy?

[Seedz]

In a perfect, average world, 5 storeTP closes the gap from 95 to 100 TP, not 98-99 to 100. In either case, Rajas makes you require 1 less hit (14 > 13 hits), so it saves you 1 hit per 14 swings. 5 accuracy is 2.5 hitrate, for 2.5 hitrate to be 1/14, you need to be below what, 35% accuracy?

Thanks.

God I'm going to miss my Sattva ._.

[Callisto]

Did you miss the fact this all came up over your paladin's gear? Why are you responding with your warrior?
Also, I'm roughly 100% certain your gearsets will not support everything you just tried to say, but even if it did, wtf @ only having your hit build 60% of the time...

The WAR response came to the 'if you have a DD leveled Rajas is 100% the right choice', it was an example saying that it might not be. And like I said, I'm talking in practice. For me personally, I play WAR under pretty static conditions, typically in merits or vs. fodder mobs in general, almost always as the initial voke. If it's in merits, I'm riding Hasso. In practice, whenever I do not gain a natural #-hit, chances are I'm going to get it via TP feed from getting hit. With Aggressor up I'm going to get it naturally via Askar/Ecphoria/Brutal. If you want to lol @ Ecphoria I could in theory go with Aurum body instead, but that's inconsequential.

In terms of accuracy I tend to go the gear to 'cap on Greater Colibri with meat > use Pizza otherwise' path, because anything massively harder than fodder mobs I'm going to be on RDM or SCH the overwhelming majority of the time(and guess what Rajas is doing for me there?), and I haven't seen overwhelming evidence that aiming for 407-410 Acc without food is going to give you a huge letdown outside of merits. If that's a totally wrong approach for what accuracy to aim for I'm open to suggestions.

My gear sets support that, I may not be 'optimal' due to no Rajas ring, but my entire point is that the game is not fully played on paper, and when I am actually playing the job, it's not so black & white as 'I don't have Rajas ring > I don't get my # hit > I must be gimped', shit, situational, etc.

[ZhiGaruda]

On the subject of rings: I'm going to be dropping Sattva for Rajas soon, so I'm kind of wondering about the use of Rajas for KC RNG TP. I'm asking because so far using toreador's/sniper's+1 I've yet to "sit" at 98-99% TP, and I'm wondering if the 7 acc may be better than the STR, STP and DEX from Rajas. As a disclaimer, I'm still lv74, soon to be 75.

Completely setting aside Store TP for this:

For KC RNG TP, and note I only use KC RNG in Tier3 Einherjar - I use Sniper+1's. In this situation it's rather hard to tell if Rajas would eliminate the need for an extra hit, since you're rarely waiting 1 swing at a time with KC. I would say full on accuracy and haste.

Edit: Failure inb4'd with maths, but still, due to RNG's lack of higher club skill, gogo ACC

[Seedz]

Uh, conflicting answers. At 74 on G.colibri, my accuracy was rather shitty for the whole 15 minutes meripo I had before DI popped. I didn't parse it, because honestly shit doesn't matter until it's 75, but eyeballing it was rather low. That's why I was asking if 7 acc ring > Rajas for KC RNG, since it seems like even given RNG's acc traits, acc with club was shite.

For reference, TP gear I have in mind for 75 will be:

KC/x/Hellfire(+1 when I find one)/ammo
Turban/PCC/Pixie/Triumph(idk what else to use, suggestions welcome)
Avalon/Dusk/Rajas or 7acc/7acc
Cuch/Vbelt/Byakko's/Dusk(+1 when I sign a pair)

[matix]

On the subject of rings: I'm going to be dropping Sattva for Rajas soon, so I'm kind of wondering about the use of Rajas for KC RNG TP. I'm asking because so far using toreador's/sniper's+1 I've yet to "sit" at 98-99% TP, and I'm wondering if the 7 acc may be better than the STR, STP and DEX from Rajas. As a disclaimer, I'm still lv74, soon to be 75.

i recommend sticking with the dual acc rings, often youll end up with surplus tp from excess attack rounds, plus i feel acc has like a multiplicitve(is that a word? lol) effect since of how many swings are going off.

sometihng to note, i noticed with yoichi when i ws with PPA or 10stp (rajas+enkidu)and get 16~ tp, it offsets the occasional chance i land on 99tp, if using a gun it shouldn't be a problem to avoid 98-99, but with a e/v-bow you might need to throw in another stp piece during ws.

most of this is based off of events, not really meripo's since i only go for buffer or to whack on things for fun, and events usually have a cor in my pt doing rng roll, which helps loads

[Cairthenn]

Uh, conflicting answers. At 74 on G.colibri, my accuracy was rather shitty for the whole 15 minutes meripo I had before DI popped. I didn't parse it, because honestly shit doesn't matter until it's 75, but eyeballing it was rather low. That's why I was asking if 7 acc ring > Rajas for KC RNG, since it seems like even given RNG's acc traits, acc with club was shite.

For reference, TP gear I have in mind for 75 will be:

KC/x/Hellfire(+1 when I find one)/ammo
Turban/PCC/Pixie/Triumph(idk what else to use, suggestions welcome)
Avalon/Dusk/Rajas or 7acc/7acc
Cuch/Vbelt/Byakko's/Dusk(+1 when I sign a pair)

With sushi you're at 86% accuracy with the second accuracy ring and 83% with Rajas.

[matix]

Uh, conflicting answers. At 74 on G.colibri, my accuracy was rather shitty for the whole 15 minutes meripo I had before DI popped. I didn't parse it, because honestly shit doesn't matter until it's 75, but eyeballing it was rather low. That's why I was asking if 7 acc ring > Rajas for KC RNG, since it seems like even given RNG's acc traits, acc with club was shite.

For reference, TP gear I have in mind for 75 will be:

KC/x/Hellfire(+1 when I find one)/ammo
Turban/PCC/Pixie/Triumph(idk what else to use, suggestions welcome)
Avalon/Dusk/Rajas or 7acc/7acc
Cuch/Vbelt/Byakko's/Dusk(+1 when I sign a pair)

for earrings, try any of these diabolos's earring/sarabande earring/accurate earring/optical earring, remeber you wont be able to use diabolos's in dyna and ein, so accurate/sarabande/optical are nice there, skadi body would be a tiny increase, but still its an increase~ also genin shield isnt bad when /nin, a few attack may help not hit for 0's if fighting tougher mobs in dyna/ein/etc.. and you can shield! call me a shield whore but i keep the /war, /nin, and /drg shields for KC rng <_<

[Nightfyre]

Not your imagination, you're sitting at around 80-85% hitrate with sushi, exact value obviously depends on what sushi. Rajas is still going to win even with KC's high number of swings/round.

[Seedz]

With sushi you're at 86% accuracy with the second accuracy ring and 83% with Rajas.

What could I change in my TP build to get a higher acc? Or should I just suck it and ask for madrigal/hunter's whenever I'm on RNG?

Also, I'll get an accurate or a sarabande earring, ty.

[matix]

i usually try to get hunters roll from a cor over getting madrigal when possible, since the brd can do marches that a cor cannot, hachiryu hand might be an ok upgrade, but i hate giving up haste, feet wise, if using nq dusk, thers those setanta's feet from lugh(i think), im after a pair of those since i use enkidu feet atm, could always get a hachiryu haramaki too <_< :E

[Khajit]

If one is war only for DD isnt not wearing rajas invo-3 at miniimum anyway?
You could have not had to get askar body, rose strap, 1 str ring, and 1 acc ring without counting a dex ring if you have one for colibri. If you needed the whole 5 stp and 4 wasn't enough for rose strap then that's another invo space wasted because you had to buy an atilla's earring (not couting gil spent on augmenting one if you so choose)

[drwaffles]

You people sure love arguing against points that were never made. Did I say Tamas was superior to Rajas? No. I said that saying Tamas is the "wrong choice if you have a melee job levelled" is stupid. It depends entirely on what jobs you have levelled and which you spend the most time on. If you read properly, I even stated clearly that once I finish SAM I'll be exchanging Tamas for Rajas - if you play SAM frequently and don't have Rajas you're an idiot, but if, like me, you have mainly mage jobs that you play most of the time and perhaps a couple of melee jobs that don't "require" Rajas in the same way that 2-handed DDs do (i.e. MNK, THF), then picking Rajas just because "it's better" is even more retarded.

Oh, and if one more person says anything about inventory issues they should throw themselves off the nearest bridge. Concern over inventory space is the last reason for any smart person to choose Tamas. If you're into optimizing your mage jobs (I know, difficult concept for a lot of people around here) then Tamas is a fantastic ring. It all depends on what you do. So that I don't have to repeat myself for the millionth fucking time: neither ring is "better" than the other, which one you should get depends entirely on your character's primary roles.. Jesus, I swore I'd never get into this bullshit again...

[Cairthenn]

What could I change in my TP build to get a higher acc? Or should I just suck it and ask for madrigal/hunter's whenever I'm on RNG?

Also, I'll get an accurate or a sarabande earring, ty.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Setanta%27s_Ledelsens if at all possible, lol (Considering you're using Dusk NQ, it's an upgrade).

You'd also be better off with two accurate earrings given your current DEX numbers.

Honestly just merit club or ask for Hunter's