Why are you looking forward to FF14?

[Warudo Ecksu]

I had NA 1st zenith slacks +1 on bahamut on one synth without even thinking about getting an HQ yeaaaaaaaaa IT WAS A BIG DEAL 7 YEARS AGO

[Eaglestrike]

I think i developed post-traumatic stress disorder after trying to craft my cursed -1/heca +1. That was just ridiculous. After crafting that set I can totally see why people were facing different directions and thinking even the most minute things played a part in successful HQing.

0/27 on heca -1 boots, 3 angel skins lost. My character is still sitting around with head/feet/glove abjurations in storage, I was never able to get a single HQ, I purchased a -1 body many years ago and had that for a while, lol.

[Vacht]

I had NA 1st zenith slacks +1 on bahamut on one synth without even thinking about getting an HQ yeaaaaaaaaa IT WAS A BIG DEAL 7 YEARS AGO

0/27 on heca -1 boots, 3 angel skins lost. My character is still sitting around with head/feet/glove abjurations in storage, I was never able to get a single HQ, I purchased a -1 body many years ago and had that for a while, lol.

HOLY FACK! Biggest problem I ran into was selling the NQ's, NO ONE EVER BOUGHT NQ LEGS!

If they could divide up play time, 1/3 of my playtime took place in kuftal tunnel.

SE loves to torture us. Well apparently not setsuko! XD

[Corrderio]

I think i developed post-traumatic stress disorder after trying to craft my cursed -1/heca +1. That was just ridiculous. After crafting that set I can totally see why people were facing different directions and thinking even the most minute things played a part in successful HQing.

I did the same leveling GS. I wanted to pull an angry German kid when I went 0/12 on skillups.

[Vacht]

I did the same leveling GS. I wanted to pull an angry German kid when I went 0/12 on skillups.

::shivers:: lol fuuuuuuuuuuuuuk that

[Kaylia]

i'd like real numbers for skill ups and not .01 bullshit, but that's just a minor thing that wouldn't in any way really affect the gameplay for me

0.1 is fine if it wasnt random. You would at least see the constant progress.


Random number generator fucking blows, especially when a faillure take away one precious day of your life (or more). I like to know exactly what I'm getting into, and thing like this doesnt make the game more fun.

[GRT]

trying for higher quality with normal set of recipe really sux imo, i'd much rather the super good items require a very rare world drop or high level boss drop

[Petitssk]

I did the same leveling GS. I wanted to pull an angry German kid when I went 0/12 on skillups.

Screw GS, ripped my headset apart and nearly broke my hand in a fit of rage during one particularly long streak of bad luck on skillups. Worst time of my life. Not to mention camping the AH for Ice/orichalcum ores, oh god.

[Lovian]

Screw GS, ripped my headset apart and nearly broke my hand in a fit of rage during one particularly long streak of bad luck on skillups. Worst time of my life. Not to mention camping the AH for Ice/orichalcum ores, oh god.

i went 1/27 while skilling up on hydra peta at the height on inflation, quit the game for 2 months not a violent person so property and body didn't get damaged in the process. Same thing happened when i spent a full 38 hours 1 week end trying for an eye in ifrits cauldron and still didnt get the drop smn/thf i was killing faster than repops, again another 4 month break from the game.

[ringthree]

Customization in mmo is the exact opposite of freedom. It might be at first while you level, but the moment you reach endgame, you will be stuck taking the one and only optimal setup. There might be some amount of freedom (like tier 2 merit for certain jobs), but it would be incredibly surprising if you could customize your job into what you want, and not what is the most efficient.

In FFXIV I don't necessarily think we are getting customization in our main roles, but more flexibility to deal with different situations.

Going back to WoW, you get talent points as your customization allocation. This is the kind of system that lacks freedom because there are forced choices between points and there are allocations that will derive more DPS, TPS or HPS than other configurations.

In FFXI, the customization is less in character specific attributes and more in equipment. There are specific scenarios in which there are "best choice" sets but for a lot of cases "shit is situational".

Neither is better than the other, it's just how you design them. Look at WoW and Cataclysm. Blizzard is actually increasing their level cap to increase the number of talent points available but not increasing the general number of talents (all the trees are getting reworked but they are not changing the inherent nature of the trees in general) to give more flexibility and free choice for players.

It's all about how it is programmed. I don't think Blizzard woke up and said, "Hey, lets not give players any real choices!" and I definitely don't think SE woke up and said, "Hey, lets make a bunch of really situational gear to increase player flexibility!"

Even with the maturity we see in MMO's it's still a very young industry and at least for Blizzard and SE both they are looking at how to improve the industry instead of just following behind like a lot of other companies.

[ringthree]

And a healthy on-topic discussion turned into a WoW vs FFXI debate when someone came and mentioned "don't let this fall into a WoW vs FFXI debate!". So how about people shut the fuck up about WoW vs FFXI and let the thread continue on topic?

Every MMO discussion is going to involve some comparison to the big dog. Get over it. There isn't any mindless bashing going on, and the only person derailing is you.

[Corrderio]

Screw GS, ripped my headset apart and nearly broke my hand in a fit of rage during one particularly long streak of bad luck on skillups. Worst time of my life. Not to mention camping the AH for Ice/orichalcum ores, oh god.

Gobbie Bags 9 and 10 (Think those were the last 2 added) were the straw that broke my back since after they were added Orichalcum Ore/Ingots went up even more and I think they stayed there. So I gave up on goldsmithing.

[Vacht]

Every MMO discussion is going to involve some comparison to the big dog. Get over it. There isn't any mindless bashing going on, and the only person derailing is you.

lol... contradict much?

And i dont even know what to say to Kayklia saying that customization is a limiting factor. I think there is a misunderstanding deep within that idea, kaylia. Especially with the system SE is using - being able to wear equipment not for your job, providing limitations with that equipment, but also allowing you infinite options relative to the game.

[ringthree]

lol... contradict much?

And i dont even know what to say to Kayklia saying that customization is a limiting factor. I think there is a misunderstanding deep within that idea, kaylia. Especially with the system SE is using - being able to wear equipment not for your job, providing limitations with that equipment, but also allowing you infinite options relative to the game.

I have no idea how I contradicted anything, but I am sure you will come up with something.

Like I said talking about WoW in the context of MMO's is inevitable. There are no problems as long as it is done civilly.

[Sup3rB4d]

I have no idea how I contradicted anything, but I am sure you will come up with something.

I think what he is saying is that this

Every MMO discussion is going to involve some comparison to the big dog. Get over it. There isn't any mindless bashing going on, and the only person derailing is you.

was not on topic and thus, continues to derail the thread even more. You are contradicting because you say that he is the only person derailing the thread, yet you are also derailing the thread. Hope this helped.

[Vacht]

I think what he is saying is that this



was not on topic and thus, continues to derail the thread even more. You are contradicting because you say that he is the only person derailing the thread, yet you are also derailing the thread. Hope this helped.

lmao XD

regulated.

[Warudo Ecksu]

thread is pretty gay right now

[Arvin]

Anyone replying to that stuff is derailing it.


I am looking forward to a (hopefully) good FF game, seeing as how FF13 is utter trash. Even if it is an MMO.

[Vacht]

thread is pretty gay right now

Right? I really wouldnt mind skipping to march 11th right now, id like someone to ruin their beta pass to show me a youtube video. And then on march 12th i get paid by my j0bz0r... YAYE

Customization in mmo is the exact opposite of freedom. It might be at first while you level, but the moment you reach endgame, you will be stuck taking the one and only optimal setup. There might be some amount of freedom (like tier 2 merit for certain jobs), but it would be incredibly surprising if you could customize your job into what you want, and not what is the most efficient.

I think SE is gunna do us sumthin real special with specializaing our characters. I doubt we will be left like ffxi, like as thf/nin or whateves. SE would really let us down if they repeated any mistakes from ffxi. Although maybe its only us perceiving those as mistakes.

[ringthree]

I think what he is saying is that this



was not on topic and thus, continues to derail the thread even more. You are contradicting because you say that he is the only person derailing the thread, yet you are also derailing the thread. Hope this helped.

You might have missed the previous sentence where I said it was inevitable and fine. The only derailing was because he was whining about the derailing. And now we have further derailed this into redundancy.

Learn to read in context.