MAG (PS3)

[dejet]

Note PL on domination is nuts(if you are attacking) I got 60 kills ~_~ 20 came from I think one bomb raid lol you get some sweet attacks.

if i defend I think I like OIC or SL.

As a PL you can change how you attak like full force one and not a split attack on both points but whne you defend not much to do outside (help this bunker)

[dejet]

also I was just PL on defend and i got some nuts crap

81 kills 7 deaths 12 assists and a streak of 55 ~_~

dont want to say badass but holy hell thats my best game ever.
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[Dmitry]

I'm jealous.

I was having an exceptional game against Raven trying to blow up their gas plant, but then I get the 5:4 error I think. Just lost connection. I was just thinking of how well I was doing in that match too right before it happened.

[Shojin]

I'm jealous.

I was having an exceptional game against Raven trying to blow up their gas plant, but then I get the 5:4 error I think. Just lost connection. I was just thinking of how well I was doing in that match too right before it happened.

Always happens on games you are doing amazing on.

[Dmitry]

If that's a tier 3 rifle, it's best use is for taking out turrets and vehicles. Get yourself a clear line of sight from the target and just take chunks out of it. Much more discrete then rockets yet just as effective.

Sadly I never see anyone on Valor sniping turrets. It's always RPG or nothing, which while nice, takes much too long considering how easily RPG users get hunted and gunned down.

How much damage does it do to turrets and vehicles? Sometimes I feel like I'm just wasting ammo shooting these different structures without actually feeling like I've done any harm to them.


Also I got the clan invite, sorry. I just hadn't been on in a few days.

[Vendog]

im thinking bout gettiing this game but i dont wanna be stranded i never played a online game seriously besides ff11 can i join the BG fun?

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

im thinking bout gettiing this game but i dont wanna be stranded i never played a online game seriously besides ff11 can i join the BG fun?

My 2 cents: get MW2 instead.

Coming straight from Goldeneye on N64 with zero prior experience with online FPS (and shooters in general) I had lots of fun with it; the MAG beta on the other hand fucking sucked from start to finish.

[Shojin]

im thinking bout gettiing this game but i dont wanna be stranded i never played a online game seriously besides ff11 can i join the BG fun?

Yeah, anyone can join, just post your PSN ID here and what faction you are on if you get the game.

And yeah, get MW2 if you like games that had no beta testing so released with a ton of exploits and glitches, shitty peer-to-peer connections as the only option, being knifed by a guy from 10 feet away that ran through a sea of bullets, perks that cater to noob tubers and frag spammers, and being a disappointment compared to the first modern warfare, despite having more content.

[dejet]

after playing mag really dont think I can go back to MW2. I planed to after dlc but now i just dont know.

and now with BC2 coming out I see zero reason to get MW2.

[Dylon]

after playing mag really dont think I can go back to MW2. I planed to after dlc but now i just dont know.

and now with BC2 coming out I see zero reason to get MW2.

qft. with BC2 comming out in less then 2 weeks there really is no point in getting MW2, the game is just broken

[Vile23]

qft. with BC2 comming out in less then 2 weeks there really is no point in getting MW2, the game is just broken

Shit. After playing the demo for Bad Company 2, I haven't touched MW2. Its kinda crazy how stoked I was for all the kill streaks they released... and then come to find out it was one of the main reasons I can't stand the game anymore.

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

Yeah, anyone can join, just post your PSN ID here and what faction you are on if you get the game.

And yeah, get MW2 if you like games that had no beta testing so released with a ton of exploits and glitches, shitty peer-to-peer connections as the only option, being knifed by a guy from 10 feet away that ran through a sea of bullets, perks that cater to noob tubers and frag spammers, and being a disappointment compared to the first modern warfare, despite having more content.

He stated that he's no FPS expert so I was just giving him the unbiased opinion of a fellow FPS noob who's played both games.

Despite its shortcomings MW2 turned out to be a lot more fun than MAG for several reasons, some of which are (off the top of my head and in no particular order):

1. I hated having to walk around a lot (I remember walking for like a minute straight to get to the objectives in MAG, just to get shot a second after and that's neither fun nor acceptable from a game-design standpoint);
2. I literally despised waiting 5-10-20-whatever seconds after dying, fuck that, lemme play the damn game (this is prolly the MW2 feature I love the most, sue me);
3a. taking down anyone took at least 10 bullets, so you either aim for the head or you're toasted in most cases (MGO syndrome any1?). In MW2 if you appear in front of someone and start shooting first, point blank, he's dead, whereas in MAG the target just starts strafing left and right while aiming for a headshot and that's both bullshit and detrimental strategy-wise;
3b. due to the aforementioned reason you'd always have to deal with zig-zag'ing faggots, just like in MGO, fuck that;
4. exping was WAY too slow;
5. as far as I recall snipers were overpowered (has this changed?);
6. teamkillers were annoying as fuck;
7. SVER were pretty much unbeatable back then;
8. Assault Rifles accuracy was shit with the ironsight for some reason;
9. MW2 is no Killzone when it comes to graphics, MAG however looks like a PS2 game, no thanks;
10. during the beta the matchmaking system wasn't working that well, otherwise I wouldn't have had to wait up to 15 minutes on average for a 256 players match to start (was it fixed in the final build?);
11. you thought camping was bad in MW2? Try MAG lol
12. most of the players I've met in the beta either could not follow the most basic guidelines/strategies or flat out refused to listen, so much for an "objective based" shooter;
13. lag wasn't noticeable (they did a great job at minimizing it), however hits registration didn't feel right/as precise as MW2's;
14. maps are huge, gimme unlimited run already ffs;
15. aiming felt stiff as heck compared to MW2;
16. additional waiting period after switching spawning point or weapon setup...are you for real? (preventing people from playing for an even longer period of time after being shot sure is a brilliant idea);

etc., etc.

Also, I'm Lv54 in MW2 and I've yet to run into a a match ruled by cheaters (I'm on PS3 btw).

Furthermore, ever since the care-package glitches were patched the game has become a whole lot more playable; hopped on it a few days ago after a 2 weeks-long break and went 28-2 on Skidrow on my first match (beating my previous killstreak record which was a measly 24) with SCAR/HBS/OMA/C.Blooded/Ninja/Smokes/Claymores/Predator/Harrier/AC-130. Sure, knifers can be annoying at times, however the game isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

That being said, to each his own!

EDIT: I don't particularly like BFBC2 or Killzone 2 multiplayer either, go figure.

[Insanecyclone]

We going to group up tonight for some matches? @shojin etc

[Shojin]

He stated that he's no FPS expert so I was just giving him the unbiased opinion of a fellow FPS noob who's played both games.

Despite its shortcomings MW2 turned out to be a lot more fun than MAG for several reasons, some of which are (off the top of my head):

1. I hated having to walk around a lot (I remember walking for like a minute straight to get to the objectives in MAG, just to get shot a second after and that's neither fun nor acceptable from a game-design standpoint);
2. I literally despised waiting 5-10-20-whatever seconds after dying, fuck that, lemme play the damn game (this is prolly the MW2 feature I love the most, sue me);
3a. taking down anyone took at least 10 bullets, so you either aim for the head or you're toasted in most cases (MGO syndrome any1?). In MW2 if you appear in front of someone and start shooting first, point blank, he's dead, whereas in MAG the target just starts strafing left and right while aiming for a headshot and that's both bullshit and detrimental strategy-wise;
3b. due to the aforementioned reason you'd always have to deal with zig-zag'ing faggots, just like in MGO, fuck that;
4. exping was WAY too slow;
5. as far as I recall snipers were overpowered (has this changed?);
6. teamkillers were annoying as fuck;
7. SVER were pretty much unbeatable back then;
8. Assault Rifles accuracy was shit with the ironsight for some reason;
9. MW2 is no Killzone when it comes to graphics, MAG however looks like a PS2 game, no thanks;
10. during the beta the matchmaking system wasn't working that well, otherwise I wouldn't have had to wait up to 15 minutes on average for a 256 players match to start (was it fixed in the final build?);
11. you thought camping was bad in MW2? Try MAG lol
12. most of the players I've met in the beta either could not follow the most basic guidelines/strategies or flat out refused to listen, so much for an "objective based" shooter;
13. lag wasn't noticeable (they did a great job at minimizing it), however hits registration didn't feel right/as precise as MW2's;
14. maps are huge, gimme unlimited run already ffs;
15. aiming felt stiff as heck compared to MW2;
16. additional waiting period after switching spawning point or weapon setup...are you for real? (preventing people from playing for an even longer period of time after being shot sure is a brilliant idea);

etc., etc.

Also, I'm Lv54 in MW2 and I've yet to run into a a match ruled by cheaters (I'm on PS3 btw).

Furthermore, ever since the care-package glitches were patched the game has become a whole lot more playable; hopped on it a few days ago after a 2 weeks-long break and went 28-2 on Skidrow on my first match (beating my previous killstreak record which was a measly 24) with SCAR/HBS/OMA/C.Blooded/Ninja/Smokes/Claymores/Predator/Harrier/AC-130. Sure, knifers can be annoying at times, however the game isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

That being said, to each his own!

EDIT: I don't particularly like BFBC2 or Killzone 2 multiplayer either, go figure.

1. Your team sucked, stick with team mates to get revived.
2. MW2 has respawn delays in the more strategic game types. (MAG does it so that your dead squad mates spawn together.)
3a. Level up and get a better gun, and unlock stability perks.
3b. This is down to skill, also, stability perks.
4. It really wasn't if you did good in matches (you can get 1-2 levels per match in the early levels easy)
5. No way, the last sniper you unlock is powerful but easily negated with increased health or heavy armor. The other snipers are weak as shit.
6. It was a free beta, you are going to have assholes. It is very rare to come across that in the retail game.
7. Depends on match, I play SVER and have been steamrolled by good Valor and Raven teams.
8. Unlock reflex/optic sights and stability perks. Also unlock the second/third assault rifle.
9. If you think MAG looks like a PS2 game, I would love to know what PS2 games you were playing.
10. I haven't waited longer than a minute for a match to start.
11. Campers are easy to take out with a good team, and most of the time aren't even an issue, there is plenty of cover in the game. MW2 camping is just as bad.
12. See number 6, also, join a clan.
13. You are kidding right? Registration not as good as MW2? I can not tell you how many times I have unloaded a clip in to a guy only for him to knife me, then on killcam, not a single bullet hit him even though on my end it did. Host advantage in p2p is awesome.
14. There are sprinting perks if running bothers you, or you could stick with your APC.
15. Change the sensitivity.
16. This doesn't happen in the retail version, it only resets if you aren't ready to spawn when the timer hits 0.

[Shojin]

We going to group up tonight for some matches? @shojin etc

Yeah I'll play tonight. Let's try and get a full squad on, that'd be awesome

[dejet]

any reason I cant get on right now >.>?

edit: there we go. took 5 times guh lol

[Shojin]

I'll be on in about 10-20mins

[Shojin]

Uh.. where was it kicking you off?

[dejet]

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He stated that he's no FPS expert so I was just giving him the unbiased opinion of a fellow FPS noob who's played both games.

Despite its shortcomings MW2 turned out to be a lot more fun than MAG for several reasons, some of which are (off the top of my head and in no particular order):

1. I hated having to walk around a lot (I remember walking for like a minute straight to get to the objectives in MAG, just to get shot a second after and that's neither fun nor acceptable from a game-design standpoint);
2. I literally despised waiting 5-10-20-whatever seconds after dying, fuck that, lemme play the damn game (this is prolly the MW2 feature I love the most, sue me);
3a. taking down anyone took at least 10 bullets, so you either aim for the head or you're toasted in most cases (MGO syndrome any1?). In MW2 if you appear in front of someone and start shooting first, point blank, he's dead, whereas in MAG the target just starts strafing left and right while aiming for a headshot and that's both bullshit and detrimental strategy-wise;
3b. due to the aforementioned reason you'd always have to deal with zig-zag'ing faggots, just like in MGO, fuck that;
4. exping was WAY too slow;
5. as far as I recall snipers were overpowered (has this changed?);
6. teamkillers were annoying as fuck;
7. SVER were pretty much unbeatable back then;
8. Assault Rifles accuracy was shit with the ironsight for some reason;
9. MW2 is no Killzone when it comes to graphics, MAG however looks like a PS2 game, no thanks;
10. during the beta the matchmaking system wasn't working that well, otherwise I wouldn't have had to wait up to 15 minutes on average for a 256 players match to start (was it fixed in the final build?);
11. you thought camping was bad in MW2? Try MAG lol
12. most of the players I've met in the beta either could not follow the most basic guidelines/strategies or flat out refused to listen, so much for an "objective based" shooter;
13. lag wasn't noticeable (they did a great job at minimizing it), however hits registration didn't feel right/as precise as MW2's;
14. maps are huge, gimme unlimited run already ffs;
15. aiming felt stiff as heck compared to MW2;
16. additional waiting period after switching spawning point or weapon setup...are you for real? (preventing people from playing for an even longer period of time after being shot sure is a brilliant idea);

etc., etc.

Also, I'm Lv54 in MW2 and I've yet to run into a a match ruled by cheaters (I'm on PS3 btw).

Furthermore, ever since the care-package glitches were patched the game has become a whole lot more playable; hopped on it a few days ago after a 2 weeks-long break and went 28-2 on Skidrow on my first match (beating my previous killstreak record which was a measly 24) with SCAR/HBS/OMA/C.Blooded/Ninja/Smokes/Claymores/Predator/Harrier/AC-130. Sure, knifers can be annoying at times, however the game isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

That being said, to each his own!

EDIT: I don't particularly like BFBC2 or Killzone 2 multiplayer either, go figure.

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1)the area needs to be as big as it is, sometimes this leads to open areas with little going on, so what? you can change your spawn point. It suck if the game had you spawn in the same spot as a defender, that team would always win. This walking makes you think twice before just rage running into a firefight(hello mr MW2). Maybe work with you team to push them back?

2)The delay is a must, again the defending team would never ever lose if they could just respawn back to back at the bunkers. the delay is fine and adds a lot to the game. Mostly team work, you die at the bunker? "shit guys guy is aiming for our AAA/bunker/whatever heads up!"

3)it goes way more deep then "10 shots for everyone" it depends on your guns power, how heavy their armor is and how close you are. The lag in this game is very close to zero so if you hit them, you hit them(unlike MW2s Pera2Pear.

3b?) um MGO sucked because of aim. MGO was crap because of the auto aim shit. it took auto aim as far as it could go.

4)I hit vet much faster in MAG then I did in MW2 as a FYI. My first fight after I vet I got around 800 exp. I was lvl 5 after one match. In about 3hrs of play I am not 16. As you hit around 50 it slows down a tad, but by that point you are set in how you want to play. Most likely you will be SL/PL/OIC most of the time and wont focus so much on exping as how to defend/attack a area.

5)snipers are fine, ravens LMG is broken as fuck. You hate snipers? easy way to fix that make a HP/heavy armor build and it takes 2-3 shots with the best snipers in the game(and then have slow reload) weaker snipers like the T1s will take 2-4 depending. If you use light armor you will die fast, a sniper will one shot you. broke? not by any means if you ask me one of the best balanced ways iv seen snipers in a long long time. They are not crap and their scope zooms in to a distance that is worth using it. MW2? I would use almost any gun and kill a sniper as far as they could see me(outside hardcore then again FAL is broken as fuck in MW2HQ games)

6)team kills are fine, i have not seen one person kill teammates just because. Not ONCE, not a joke at all. I will say it again, NOT ONCE. When someone kills you they almost always say "My bad man I was shooting at a person over there you ran into my fire my bad" and they raise you 90% of the time(you get no points for a raise of a person you killed on your team.

7)S.V.E.R(woot) is a little better then the other two, but not by far. Raven is only 1 behind us in contracts. things are going to even out as more people vet over.

8)grips are a must if you are on S.V.E.R. outside that ACC is to good if you ask me for raven, close to broken on that LMG of theirs even without a grip. Dont talk about hits with MW2, I cant say how many kill cams end with a person not even hitting your body and getting the winning kill.

9)The way stuff looks had to be turned down a lot, how else are you going to fix 256 people on one map? this is a draw back but to me I can live with it.

10)large games take a max of 1min to build. hardly any delay. in fact I tend to wait more on MW2(outside TD express)

11)campers are very rare in the game, most teams work as well a team. You will sometimes get that one person who sits somewhere and waits, but the name of the game in the 1st part of an attack is trying to break past the bunkers(their *camp*) its their job to camp at the start. Work as a team and cut off a bunker with your platoon and take them down one at a time.

12)happens from time to time, but mostly this is why you work with a group, most players are willing to ask for help and follow a leader, most of the time when I am a SL/PL I will change the spawn point at the very start, 90% of the time the hole team goes to the right spawn point, or if I change what the hole platoons job is 90% of the time they do as they are told

13)very little lag as you said, taste I guess here.

14)maps need to be this big, if a army breaks past the 1st line(bunkers) you need that room to push them back. Or if you are attacking to push up and into the area. The team that uses that ground the best will win the game.

15)Ya look under options should be a way to change that Its fine to me, same as MW2 cant tell really.

16)I will tell you it did suck at 1st when I was new, sometimes taking up to 45 sec to spawn. Once you get the hang of the fight you know when you change spawn points and when to wait. this they can fix but once your use to it, its fine and nothing to care about to much.


Closing: MW2 is a Run-and-Gun to the max. Knife builds, noob tubs rpgs that I once got a insta HS from. Not a joke I got 7 kills in wasteland by shooting a RPG inside that area.

By the sounds of it you have not played the real game at all, go into the beta forum post and you will see me saying something along the lines of "unless they fix this game up i wont even think abuot buying it" and now look at me, love the game so much. you can not go off the beta it was just that a beta that worked out so well that the main game had no lag and was more then likely the best start to a game its size ever. MW2 opened with so many glichs and so much lag that to this game it still lags and glichs suck. the 360 has hacked shit, up the ass lets not forget.

The teamwork is key unlike MW2 there is zero teamwork. Nothing needs teamwork. I dont want to say MW2 is for people with even less attention span then the normal hyper kid but it is. Mag makes you think before you do something, work as a team or fall on your face. Vote bad leaders off, take charge if you think things are not working, do as your OIC/PL/SL says, move as a group. Teamwork sums up mag.

I had a blast in MW2, I was the 3rd prestige(and this one on my 2nd account I was 2nd prestige on my other one so Id be almost to my 5th 2 months back when I quit it.

I am now rank 1 vet(lvl 16) in mag. Really I find it much more fun then MW2, I got really sick of the knifes. I am great with the knife build. Never use it because its not fun to me, but when 4 others on the other tema use it I break it out. Shits not fun to me...

Real closing: if you are new to FPS it might be worth getting MW2 because it is if you ask me much more easy to pick up and get good at. Then again mag most of the time people are willing to work with you. They are nicer to noobs. Just this morning a person was playing that did not know they could get new guns with their points they rank up each lvl. me and about 5 others talked to him about the game, we ended up playing as a group and having a full squad the next two games. Its up to what you want, I know what I say makes MW2 sound sucky, but thats because in my mind it is. It was fun but I like mag much more after getting away from MW2.

you are lucky as the PC/360(more players on them then the ps3 for MW2) are full of cheaters/glichs. the PS3 is not hack free tho, look at the topw 100 in points, jav glich, never ending EAD(twice... fix then it was back the same day lol), 1887s (fixed ound out blinged was just as good after the *fix*) CP knife glich run thing... I can go on and on. The game came out full of gliches.

I have to say the worst part of mag is that it needs so much teamwork if you dont have a leader that knows somewhat what to do you could just be screwed a hole game. But thats what the vote to kick from groups is for. just sometimes people dont ; ;

sry for the wall-o-text/review of whats great about mag !_! just you are basing everything off the beta.

my short answer: most of your reasoning is based off the beta, and is unfair vs a game that you did not see the beta of. Unless you where part of MW2s beta how can you fairly say its better or worse?

MW2>mag beta
Mag real game > MW2

that is what I would say.

[Logain]

Damn! Did I miss the full squad of BG?