Gimp/Confused/WTF Player Thread XVII: Keep it Fresh

[Ohaigaiz]

I don't even know you and you're trolling lol, get out of here the spam forum is that way.

my god shut the fuck up

[S N K]

they're not that much better, difference is negligible

and if a full usukane mnk isn't destroying a drg at birds, tell your healers to man up and stop using mnk/nins

It's not like my DRG wasn't well geared also. <_<

[AidenCarby]

my god shut the fuck up

lol XD

[Hyriu]

lol XD

no

[Klien]

no

yes.

[Despain]

5 bucks says thats StephenW reincarnate.

[Thorny]

Yea, because counterstance procs 100% of the time.

Counterstance floors your defense, it's the exact same with or without berserk. You would know this if you knew anything about the job you're trying to bash.

Counterstance also has about a 60% procrate if you have counter merits.. that's a very large amount of damage mitigation, probably comparable to seigan for melee(of course seigan has a massive advantage for pecking flurry, but mobs shouldn't get more than 1 tp move off a fight anyway, if that).

[Kohan]

5 bucks says thats StephenW reincarnate.

Wrong as they may be, they're trying to discuss game mechanics. Considering, you may be giving StephenW too much credit.

[AidenCarby]

Counterstance floors your defense, it's the exact same with or without berserk. You would know this if you knew anything about the job you're trying to bash.

Counterstance also has about a 60% procrate if you have counter merits.. that's a very large amount of damage mitigation, probably comparable to seigan for melee(of course seigan has a massive advantage for pecking flurry, but mobs shouldn't get more than 1 tp move off a fight anyway, if that).

First off, I'm not bashing any jobs, I have war and sam 75 and I'm leveling Monk as we speak(almost 70) I don't sub war on monk because mages complain about it in exp so I wouldn't know how defense works with both berserk/counterstance up. I stated clearly, that it makes it hard on the mage when people are voking with berserk up and not using seigan, never said any job sucks. Learn to read before you start swinging your epeen around.

[Kohan]

I don't sub war on monk because mages complain about it in exp so I wouldn't know how defense works with both berserk/counterstance up.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Counterstance

# Equation for calculating Def based on VIT after using Counterstance is VIT/2 + 1.
# Combining with Job abilities that reduce defense, such as Berserk, will lower your defense further.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Berserk

When active, the user's attack is increased by 25% and defense is decreased by 25%.

Man, all that hardcore research tired me out.

[Jimie]

He isn't saying that Berserk doesn't reduce your DEF further, he's saying that by using Counterstance your DEF is floored against the mob's attack, meaning that reducing your DEF further won't make you take more dmg.

Whether he's right or not IDK.

[Kohan]

He isn't saying that Berserk doesn't reduce your DEF further, he's saying that by using Counterstance your DEF is floored against the mob's attack, meaning that reducing your DEF further won't make you take more dmg.

Whether he's right or not IDK.

It really won't, and from the above, they should be able to figure that out on their own. You're basically reduced to the double digits of DEF, and Berserk only takes 25% off of that. It's virtually nothing.

[Thorny]

Using counterstances reduces your def to only the contribution from VIT. Using berserk literally does not do anything since effectively any mob will cap pdif with just counterstance. Seriously.

[Kohan]

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[dantes]

Nevermind...

[Beave]

Tbh, that's why I like white mage better at merits. I normally merit on bard, because I always end up with the retarded sams who like to voke, don't use seigan and have berserk up as much as possible, when I go red mage lol. I don't claim to be the best red mage in the game but I certainly don't suck, and it's rough keeping up with heals when you have 3 retards doing that, let alone a monk doing it, yeesh.

I know the feeling trying to merit with shitty pick ups on rdm. Once I leveled brd, I never went rdm to another merit party. It was nice, because I didn't have to give two shits how the healing was being done (provided it was in fact getting done).

Then I went one step further, and only got merits while playing smn, via korroloka tunnel.

Easiest. Merit. Party. Ever.

I think it's pretty impossible to get 16-20 merits in a night outside of AF, though if it's possible, no need to tell me about it~

[Snick]

Sure it's possible, you just need to dedicate a bunch of time.

Even pick up groups I've been in have managed 30k/hr, that's just about 6 hours for 18 merits. The problem is finding a group(s) that wants to merit that long, of course.

[terranova]

Yeah I quit meriting on RDM(I quit it all together) because of way too many crappy parties, that and I was always without a bard.

Haste, you'll get it. DRK will get refresh, etc. But Cure IV Cure IV Cure IV Cure IV Cure IV Cure IV Cure IV on..say..a SAM or MNK, bye bye 900mp in 20 seconds and hello convert..then..bye bye 900mp in 20 seconds and hello downtime. I mean..it's not even about trying to keep the chain going anymore. It's about keeping them from fucking dying on each damn pull.

Irritating. And they take so long to kill birds :/. And nothing sucks more than NIN that has issues getting shadows up with haste.

[Dooom]

Absorb-TP, Dread Spikes, Stun. All very nice things! Shouldn't need refresh every 2 and a half minutes, but every now and then isn't unreasonable.

[konoko]

If a bird is living longer than 30 seconds, your melee need to Suck Less*.


*This seems to be the popular term lately.