Drop XX: Hey, that's my account!

[Thorny]

In the end, I agree it all has uses, but I think if you're at the point you're blowing 15mil on a Marduk body, you should seriously reconsider that, and go for a Nirvana/Yagrush/Ghorn first...there was obviously a bit of sarcasm in the earlier posts. Oh, and I want to complete my Marduk body...'cause full sets kinda look cool, but meh~

Nirvana/Yagrush/Ghorn are an order of magnitude higher. Completing Marduk Body is a realistic yet time-consuming goal for many.. for some of those, a relic is no longer a realistic goal. Your ability to dedicate enough time to making gil to make 15m is not necessarily proof you can dedicate enough time to making gil to make 90(cheapest you'll ever get a nirvana/yagrush, assuming you even have access to all the prereqs).

The head and hands are the only other 'expensive' pieces, and neither is very expensive compared to a similar benefit from other upgrades. Marduk is a relatively well-designed set in my opinion, and just gets shit because most hardcore mages prefer RDM or BLM and melee have the usual penis-wagging thing going on.

For what it's worth, I have 3/3 for both Marduk head/hands(and all 3 marduk jobs 75) and never upgraded due to not caring about the jobs in question.

[Demosthenes11]

full
ares
is
not
good
for
apoc


My god, why do people insist on saying this?

because most people without apoc saw people saying a year ago it was best for cata and never really cared beyond that?

[Xera]

full marduk is pretty awesome idle gear for brd and smn, auto regen/refresh and 10% FC.. if you macro on manteel with a wait you lose the time you'd have gained from it having 2% more FC

Am I missing something here? I don't understand there would be a wait after equipping the manteel.

[Thorny]

Am I missing something here? I don't understand there would be a wait after equipping the manteel.

If you macro:
/equip "Body" "Sha'ir Manteel"
/ma "SongName" <t>

there's only like a 30-40% chance the fast cast actually procs due to server processing things weird, as opposed to 100% if you idle in it

[Xera]

If you macro:
/equip "Body" "Sha'ir Manteel"
/ma "SongName" <t>

there's only like a 30-40% chance the fast cast actually procs due to server processing things weird, as opposed to 100% if you idle in it

I see, are song casting times calculated differently than plain Fast Cast? I rarely notice my hat/body not procing on RDM.

[Thorny]

I see, are song casting times calculated differently than plain Fast Cast? I rarely notice my hat/body not procing on RDM.

they aren't, but not sure what kind of voodoo you use to make yours always proc.. tried ingame macros, spellcast, and windower macros and all seem to have the same (low) procrate for me without a wait

[Xera]

they aren't, but not sure what kind of voodoo you use to make yours always proc.. tried ingame macros, spellcast, and windower macros and all seem to have the same (low) procrate for me without a wait

Maybe it's because my PC is slow... It's very rare it doesn't proc.

I have my scripts set like this:

Spoiler: show

exec RDM/Base/FastCast.txt;
input /ma "Blizzard III" <t>;
pause 1.5;
input /equip main "Aquilo's Staff";
exec RDM/Base/Nuke.txt;
input /equip waist "Hyorin Obi";
pause 6;
exec RDM/Base/Idle.txt;

[Shirai]

As a lot of this stuff runs clientside my question is what kind of computer you run and if that is the only instance of ffxi you are running or if you are perhaps dual/triple boxing.

Sure it happens that something goes off before my Spellcast adds in all my gear for the situation (usually in high lag situations like Campaign or Besieged) but i find the frequency you experience this in surprisingly high.

[Thorny]

As a lot of this stuff runs clientside my question is what kind of computer you run and if that is the only instance of ffxi you are running or if you are perhaps dual/triple boxing.

Sure it happens that something goes off before my Spellcast adds in all my gear for the situation (usually in high lag situations like Campaign or Besieged) but i find the frequency you experience this in surprisingly high.

I don't have this problem with macro swap gear for JAs, don't seem to have it for WS(though I obviously don't calculate ws damage every time I WS), never have spells end in the wrong gear.. just seems to be a fast cast thing. Last time I saw a discussion about it on here, the consensus was that you needed to idle in it to get the benefit.

[pchan]

lol...
reason to have full usu: you have monk
reason to have full ares: you have apoc
reason to have full skadi: ...
reason to have full marduk: ...
reason to have full morrigan: you have blm

ya guys, you are gimp if you don't have multiple salvage sets

Are you just that bad ? Full usu is top of the line gear for 2 jobs, Full morrigan is top of the line gear for 2 jobs. If you got one of those 4 jobs, and no full set, you are are average. Add to this that every single piece of salvage gear has a use, independently of the full set bonus, and often it's best piece for this. If morrigan didn't have a set bonus, it would still be top of the line gear for RDM. We are not talking a bout nyzlulz gears which are worse than ... yigit. I said it. Are you seriously suggesting to stop farming your morrigan's coronnal in favor of sevenyes or other retarded shit ?



edit : I only talked about the jobs I have, full usu is also very good for tanking on SAM (not idiots that pretend to be DD/hasso when they swap to pdt to tank gimp shit like that can be .. slowed).

[FailureMidgard]

Are you just that bad ? Full usu is top of the line gear for 2 jobs, Full morrigan is top of the line gear for 2 jobs. If you got one of those 4 jobs, and no full set, you are are average. Add to this that every single piece of salvage gear has a use, independently of the full set bonus, and often it's best piece for this. If morrigan didn't have a set bonus, it would still be top of the line gear for RDM. We are not talking a bout nyzlulz gears which are worse than ... yigit. I said it. Are you seriously suggesting to stop farming your morrigan's coronnal in favor of sevenyes or other retarded shit ?



edit : I only talked about the jobs I have, full usu is also very good for tanking on SAM (not idiots that pretend to be DD/hasso when they swap to pdt to tank gimp shit like that can be .. slowed).

Full Mori is situational for BLM, as I already responded. It is inferior for anything with high resistance. It is inferior for Magic Bursting. It is inferior any time you have a scholar, or can otherwise match day/weather. So it's good for pudding camps/random solo stuff. That's about it. Past this, even when you do use it, it is -barely- better than a mix and match set. As in, you'd probably see a similar amount of upgrading spending your time farming gil+tabs and spam augmenting.

Also, most pieces do have a use, but a huge number of them aren't worth the gil (or even the time) to get said upgrade unless you have everything else there is. Again, see augments. The best gear in the game comes from that too, but I don't see most people dropping the gil on getting that all perfect. Why not?
And Usu Head (outside of full set for mnk or pup), Ares Feet, Ares Hand really have no practical use.
And are you trying to say Seveneyes doesn't have a use, and is not in fact the best piece to use for said spells? Because you're retarded if you're trying to deny that. Anyway, Khim pops once every ~2.5 days and takes 30minutes to kill. It's hardly ruining your ability to obtain salvage gear. And now that you mention it, I'm sure I'd rather have Seveneys+3mil gil+a lot more free time than a Morrigan's Coronal...

Also, wtf @ Using full Usu to tank on Sam. Yea, it's almost maybe useful if you are fighting something with low enough accuracy that you aren't evasion floored on, but check it out - that's all gimp shit. Anything that isn't gimp shit, you aren't breaking the evasion floor on with full Usu. Also, I'm not sure if that was supposed to be a crack at me, my bad for playing defensively on a chariot when we get there with 20-30min remaining? Hasso has it's place, Seigan has it's place, and /nin has it's place, but it's really up to you/your support/etc on when to use each.

[Demosthenes11]

oh sorry, i forgot pup existed (read: useless). how is full morrigan ideal for rdm lol. If you nuke in full morrigan, you are missing out on 20 skill that rdm desperately needs and means you can't land nuke reliably without it. I'd much rather nuke in AF+1 head, morri body, morri cuffs, af2 legs, goliard/af2 feet/nashira (depending). unless you wanna assume every rdm has full elemental magic merits?

i love the logic you are using though that "every piece of salvage gear has a use." Guess what, so does all the gear from mobs you are bashing. Seveneyes absolutely has a use, haute, ridill, dring, + all the buyable shit from the other HNM you can get in many shells for free, hell even lolgol has a use.

im not even arguing salvage gear isn't better - by and large most of it is. But HNMs and salvage are not mutually exclusive.

lol@-pdt gear sucks

[pchan]

Seveneyes absolutely has a use

No.

lol@-pdt gear sucks

didn't say that, try again.

[pchan]

... aren't worth the gil

Good summary of your post. Nothing is worth doing in FFXI, anything is done for in e-peen, if you didn't undrestand it yet, quit now. Speed belt ? really ? Your xp goes from 32k/h to 33k/h : awesome, and that's only because you made the math about it.

Anything that isn't gimp shit, you aren't breaking the evasion floor on with full Usu.

gimp shit : hasso
serious shit : utsusemi
pdt : never


Oh and yes seveyes is gimp shit, do the maths about it.

morrigan's : 600 MP in 30 minutes
sevenyes : 20 MP .. maybe, and only if you do the maths about it. How much does it sell to npc ? Probably worth a few stacks of elshimo fruits. In other words, sevenyes is worth less than 100 gil if you can't sell it.

[Demosthenes11]

No.

tell me, pchan, what weapon would you cast refresh/haste/phalanx II/dia III in?

[Thorny]

tell me, pchan, what weapon would you cast refresh/haste/phalanx II/dia III in?

I cast it in terra's. It's something to do with getting the best use out of my 80 spaces, idk..

[Demosthenes11]

I cast it in terra's. It's something to do with getting the best use out of my 80 spaces, idk..

yet im sure you keep things you use less in your inventory or supplies you with less. AF legs, 3 more damage on phalanx II? dark magic gear? mp gear?
honestly id love to see what you use 80 spaces on.

edit: the math on seveneyes comes out to like 2-3 less mp/min than refresh body or something close, and that's assuming refresh body is on fulltime. Is refresh body useless?

[pchan]

yet im sure you keep things you use less in your inventory or supplies you with less. AF legs, 3 more damage on phalanx II? dark magic gear? mp gear?
honestly id love to see what you use 80 spaces on

I can't afford bringing anything I would want. If I bring pdt I have to leave my 4-5 grips at my mog. If I bring mdt I have to leave max accuracy nuking gear at mog. Dark gear is useless 99% of the time. Enhancing ? Only good in salvage 1F where you don't have gear anyway. I stick to AF2+1 gloves. When I get merciful, i'll leave gleeman's at my mog. I'm already not bringing water and fire staves, will leave nashira leg/feet at mog soon too ..

[Thorny]

yet im sure you keep things you use less in your inventory or supplies you with less. AF legs, 3 more damage on phalanx II? dark magic gear? mp gear?
honestly id love to see what you use 80 spaces on

I'll post my full inventory for you to scrutinize sometime. For now, 7 conserve mp = 7% procrate at 1-8/16(equal probability) mp cost reduction.. 4.5/16 = .28125% of cost saved, 7% procrate = 1.96% overall mp saved.

How much mp do you spend normally on these buffs?

Haste, Refresh, Phalanx - One cast per 7.5 minutes self, 101 mp total
dia3 - one cast per minute, 45 mp(2 merits in it is a pretty normal thing to do)
haste - 40 mp per 3 minutes per person
refresh - 40 mp per 2.5 minutes per person

now, this puts refresh at 3.1 mp saved per 10 min per person
haste 2.61 mp per 10 min per person
dia3 8.82 mp per 10 min
self buffs 2.63 mp per 10 min

Say you have 3 hastes, 3 refreshes in addition to yourself(excessive) and cast dia3 every 60 seconds regardless.. your fancy seveneyes is saving you 29 mp over the course of ten minutes(and that's rounding up!).

Now, say you're solo and don't need to dia. You cast bio3 every 2:30 instead. 54 * 4 = 216 mp spent per 10 min, 4.23 saved there + 2.63 from self buffs. Congratulations, you saved 7 mp in ten minutes. If you bitch about bio3 merits, 36 *5 = 180 mp for keeping bio2 up so even less saved there.

In addition to this, mp cost is rounded up after conserve mp. You gain even less than these estimates when casting that many buffs, because each rounded number is costing you a partial point of mp.

edit: the math on seveneyes comes out to like 2-3 less mp/min than refresh body or something close, and that's assuming refresh body is on fulltime. Is refresh body useless?

lol, so in a heavy mp usage situation 2.9 mp is 2-3 less mp/min than 20? I mean, you could say you haste your entire party, refresh your entire party, throw out -nas in it, stoneskin in it, etc.. you might be able to push it up to 5 mp/minute if you had a gjall brd and spent all your mp on buffing and none on actual cures. Haste the whole alliance!

[Demosthenes11]

i remember the math being a lot different than that but I'm not afraid to admit im wrong here. thanks for showing the math on that.

mp efficiency from seveneyes is pretty comparable to -pdt gear though unless you are getting hit like a truck constantly