Drop XX: Hey, that's my account!

[Thorny]

i remember the math being a lot different than that but I'm not afraid to admit im wrong here. thanks for showing the math on that.

np

mp efficiency from seveneyes is pretty comparable to -pdt gear though unless you are getting hit like a truck constantly

In terms of mp saved, yes.

Let me know when the extra few mp from seveneyes saves your life though, I can't count the number of times my PDT has. Typically you don't waste mp on nukes if you're going to need it, and don't spend last few hundred until convert timer is about up. In a group situation, you really shouldn't be riding to the last drop anyway. PDT is a consistant bonus that can, at times, keep you alive when you'd have otherwise died. Seveneyes is a minor minor bonus to mp saved, it's not ever going to do that in a realistic situation.

[Aevis]

please please dear BG mods/admins, tell me what i have to do to get pchan banned again. my soul? you can have it. seriously, out of 10 bumped threads in media, 8 involve pchan talking shit about some retarded "but in salvage" argument.

no pics because @ work but out of the last 3 odins, we got 4 e-bodies <3

[Demosthenes11]

np



In terms of mp saved, yes.

Let me know when the extra few mp from seveneyes saves your life though, I can't count the number of times my PDT has. Typically you don't waste mp on nukes if you're going to need it, and don't spend last few hundred until convert timer is about up. In a group situation, you really shouldn't be riding to the last drop anyway. PDT is a consistant bonus that can, at times, keep you alive when you'd have otherwise died. Seveneyes is a minor minor bonus to mp saved, it's not ever going to do that in a realistic situation.

i agree, but it takes a hell of a lot more spots. basic -pdt gear is 5-8 slots. then again i wont assume i know what you do, for all i know you only bring it for lowman stuff

[BerenTebogo]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFF the only person who would get that is sath and anyone in my old salvage group....lol

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...110_235223.png

Wouldn't want everyone else to miss out on the fun!

[Thorny]

I value essentially anything more than 25 mp/10 minutes. That's a cure II, I'm sure you can logically deduce how any semi-useful piece of gear could save you a cure 2 worth of mp over 10 minutes. The primary thing to keep in mind though, seveneyes isn't going to change your performance at all usually.. if you sit on convert, you're wasting potential mp anyway. If you convert at timer, you're not going to be finding any use for that 22 mp before doing so.. might tick into a nuke a few seconds earlier, but that's dependant on your mp beforehand and it actually proccing and so many other factors that in reality it's doing nothing.

[BerenTebogo]

So the consensus now is that switching to fast cast gear at the start of the spell doesn't really work? Bring back idling in loquacious?

[Darkanaseur]

lol wow rara

[S N K]

tell me, pchan, what weapon would you cast refresh/haste/phalanx II/dia III in?

Yeah seriously Pchan, what weapon would you use to cast those spells?

[Argettio]

Yeah seriously Pchan, what weapon would you use to cast those spells?

Weapons don't drop in salvage...

[S N K]

Weapons don't drop in salvage...

i c wat u did der!

[Argettio]

i c wat u did der!

I R Teh Clevarz

I am also so bored at work I have nothing better to do.

[pchan]

So the consensus now is that switching to fast cast gear at the start of the spell doesn't really work? Bring back idling in loquacious?

pressing 2 buttons > spell cast.

When I need fast cast I press 2 buttons. Exemple : utsusemi ichi (or Ni )

alt+1 :

/equip head "wlk chap+1"
/equip legs "nashira"
/equip ear1 "loq"
/equip hands "dusk"
/ma "utsu" <me>
/recast "utsu"


alt +3 :

/equip waist "swift"
/equip feet "dsk +1"
/equip body "duelist"s tabard"



alt +4 :
/equip spell interruption gear


Casting ichi : alt 1, like when I don't care about recast (always)
casting ichi when caring : alt 31
casting ichi when caring about being interrupted : alt41

tips : don't put spell interruption swaps in your ichi macro.


For the same reason my sleep macro is /equip main pluto, /ma sleep <t>, SI macros and FC macro separated.

[Uzor]

Yeah seriously Pchan, what weapon would you use to cast those spells?

Being a RDM myself, I can say that I would not use Seveneyes to cast those spells. I barely have any inventory spaces for the gear I use, so I'm not gonna bring a Seveneyes with me to save < 20 MP every 10 min.

Seriously, if you're that pressed for MP that 20 MP can make or break your performance, you're doing something wrong in the first place. I'd rather bring something that actually benefits me. I think Pchan's in the same situation.

[Raen Ryong]

So the consensus now is that switching to fast cast gear at the start of the spell doesn't really work? Bring back idling in loquacious?

It does work, but very occasionally doesn't. I'm currently at uni and so don't have my macros at hand, but they're nothing special (although I do go => FC /wait 0.something => cast spell => wait 0.something => land in potency unless Grav which is so fast I just ignore the fast cast part). Just gotta be careful of macro overlap...

[Argettio]

Type	 	 Options	 	 Description
CastDelay	 See 	 	 	 To delay casting after PreCast, mainly if you want say a 
		Description		few milliseconds delay for gear changes to finish.  Must Set Delay with this.

[Thorny]

Type	 	 Options	 	 Description
CastDelay	 See 	 	 	 To delay casting after PreCast, mainly if you want say a 
		Description		few milliseconds delay for gear changes to finish.  Must Set Delay with this.

Yes, I know what CastDelay is. I use it.

Did you read what started this argument? The difference between manteel+rostrums vs full marduk for fast cast.. if you add a castdelay, you're negating the minimal benefit of 4% fast cast.

[Argettio]

Yes, I know what CastDelay is. I use it.

Did you read what started this argument? The difference between manteel+rostrums vs full marduk for fast cast.. if you add a castdelay, you're negating the minimal benefit of 4% fast cast.

Sry, I should have quoted Pchan, but it was aimed at his comments about Macros > Spellcast.

[Callisto]

Yeah anything where it's an upgrade I use a .3 delay and it works fine, I could probably get away with .2 on a better PC(I think that works fine on my g/f's desktop).

[FailureMidgard]

Good summary of your post. Nothing is worth doing in FFXI, anything is done for in e-peen, if you didn't undrestand it yet, quit now. Speed belt ? really ? Your xp goes from 32k/h to 33k/h : awesome, and that's only because you made the math about it.

The point, that you completely missed, is VBelt is still like 10x the upgrade of ANY salvage piece. I'm fine with lots of small upgrades, but some of the shit you're suggesting insanely small, as in, less of an upgrade than seveneyes. Also, maybe you don't get this fact, but VBelt @ 10mil = worth it. VBelt and 200mil = not worth it. Do you understand the difference between a price analysis and a flat statement of something being 100% worthless? Yes, there becomes a point when you're buying Shenlongs or a relic that you have everything else you need and can afford to throw away gil, but that's really what you are doing with some salvage pieces. Don't worry though, I made a piece or 2 fully realizing this as well, 'cause it's kinda neat to have full sets, but don't delude yourself that it's universally good or makes you a better player.

gimp shit : hasso
serious shit : utsusemi
pdt : never

I know you really are that stupid, so I'm not sure why I'm responding here. Remember when you said Usukane was good for Sam tanking? Again, it only does anything for you on "gimp shit" stuff, where it really doesn't matter. So, you should rephrase, Usukane is only good for sam/dnc solo.

Oh and yes seveyes is gimp shit, do the maths about it.

morrigan's : 600 MP in 30 minutes
sevenyes : 20 MP .. maybe, and only if you do the maths about it. How much does it sell to npc ? Probably worth a few stacks of elshimo fruits. In other words, sevenyes is worth less than 100 gil if you can't sell it.

I like how you're assuming the rdm has no refresh body. You may or may not have heard to this new addition to the game...Dalmatica I think it is? It's an ultra-rare drop that comes from some new reallllly hard HNM. Oh wait, no. It costs about 14mil less than your Mori body, and does the same thing as far as refresh goes. Your mori body maybe nets what...a few mp a minute because you nuke in it? Then it's nuking gear, and that's about it? Please explain to me how that's worth the 15mil pricetag for a red mage. I mean, maybe I'm just a gimp red mage because I'm fine with Dalmatica, but I'd rather spend the 15mil on my sam (though admittedly, I'm almost done with my sam now, so maybe in the future)...

Seveneyes

Now could you do an analysis of how much mp you save from Morrigan's Coronal? Or if will actually ever save your life? 'cause I'd be willing to bet it won't. My argument was never that seveneyes is an amazing piece of gear (admittedly, I expected it to be closer to ~8-10mp/minute, but never did the math), but I think a lot of salvage gear is far from amazing as well, and as I said, when it comes down to it, I think the 3mil you save not completing Morrigan's Coronal is already worth more than Morrigan's Coronal, not even mentioning if we're calling Seveneyes a tradeoff.

And again, because this is kinda getting off track, Demosthenes and I are both arguing the same 3 main points (I think):
1. Doing HNM, in itself, does not detract from your ability to do any instanced or forced pop event.
2. Some salvage drops cost a ton, and do significantly less for you than other available options. I am not trying to say they are -never- worth getting, but I am saying it is wrong to prioritize salvage over everything else.

[pchan]

Now could you do an analysis of how much mp you save from Morrigan's Coronal? Or if will actually ever save your life? 'cause I'd be willing to bet it won't.

Best ... nuking ... head... for BLM. Inbefore AF+1 hat.

but I am saying it is wrong to prioritize salvage over everything else.

Let's see. I agree with the priority argument. Now. But which hnm piece would you prioritize over a salvage piece, as BLM or RDM ? A body ? really ? W body ? A feet ? No kidding.