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[D44kpunk]

I like how you're assuming the rdm has no refresh body. You may or may not have heard to this new addition to the game...Dalmatica I think it is? It's an ultra-rare drop that comes from some new reallllly hard HNM. Oh wait, no. It costs about 14mil less than your Mori body, and does the same thing as far as refresh goes. Your mori body maybe nets what...a few mp a minute because you nuke in it? Then it's nuking gear, and that's about it? Please explain to me how that's worth the 15mil pricetag for a red mage. I mean, maybe I'm just a gimp red mage because I'm fine with Dalmatica, but I'd rather spend the 15mil on my sam (though admittedly, I'm almost done with my sam now, so maybe in the future)...

aren't you in that one terrible shell that brags about selling everything? if so dalmatica should be worth more than 1m to you

edit: why the fuck does every thread turn into a failure thorny and pchan shit fest, can we just ban all 3 of these stupid shits?

[FailureMidgard]

Best ... nuking ... head... for BLM. Inbefore AF+1 hat.

I use Maat's Cap.
Selenian with 4int, 2macc, 2mab is nice.
Then again, Selenian can also be 4int, 5macc - equal to Morrigan and 3mil gil cheaper!

Let's see. I agree with the priority argument. Now. But which hnm piece would you prioritize over a salvage piece, as BLM or RDM ? A body ? really ? W body ? A feet ? No kidding.

Well you see, there's this thing called gil. Let's assume you don't have a Morrigan's Body, and you don't have a Novio.

Going from a 2int earring > Novio is -2int, +7mab.
Going from errant body > Morrigan is -2int, +5 mab.
Novio is -barely- more expensive. Then of course, there's the fact that its accepted that even an NQ weskit is better than an errant body, meaning the upgrade for Morrigan's body is even less.
Again, not saying never get it, not saying that a person who calls themself a blm main shouldn't be aiming to get a Morrigan's body, but other items are better. Past that, a lot of people do enjoy having multiple jobs, especially multiple jobs that give them more versatility. A lot of us don't really do HNM because we are desperate for gear - we do it because it's really easy gil. 7m for a Tongue/Egg, 20+m for ebodies, 35m for ridill, 5m for nhead, etc, and it takes little to no effort once we are established. I'm assuming you bought a Black Tathlum at some point, a lot of people want Ancient Torques, those are "HNM" drops also, btw.
Salvage has a lot of great gear, I also enjoy(ed) doing it, but it isn't the end-all be-all that you want it to be.

[pchan]

I use Maat's Cap.
Selenian with 4int, 2macc, 2mab is nice.
Then again, Selenian can also be 4int, 5macc - equal to Morrigan and 3mil gil cheaper!

maat's cap doesn't drop from an hnm
slenian cap doesn't drop from an hnm

Well you see, there's this thing called gil. Let's assume you don't have a Morrigan's Body, and you don't have a Novio.

Going from a 2int earring > Novio is -2int, +7mab.
Going from errant body > Morrigan is -2int, +5 mab.
Novio is -barely- more expensive. Then of course, there's the fact that its accepted that even an NQ weskit is better than an errant body, meaning the upgrade for Morrigan's body is even less.
Again, not saying never get it, not saying that a person who calls themself a blm main shouldn't be aiming to get a Morrigan's body, but other items are better. Past that, a lot of people do enjoy having multiple jobs, especially multiple jobs that give them more versatility. A lot of us don't really do HNM because we are desperate for gear - we do it because it's really easy gil. 7m for a Tongue/Egg, 20+m for ebodies, 35m for ridill, 5m for nhead, etc, and it takes little to no effort once we are established. I'm assuming you bought a Black Tathlum at some point, a lot of people want Ancient Torques, those are "HNM" drops also, btw.
Salvage has a lot of great gear, I also enjoy(ed) doing it, but it isn't the end-all be-all that you want it to be.

Novio doesn't drop form a hnm,
weskit NQ is not better than errant body

7m for a Tongue/Egg, 20+m for ebodies, 35m for ridill, 5m for nhead, etc, and it takes little to no effort once we are established. I'm assuming you bought a Black Tathlum at some point, a lot of people want Ancient Torques, those are "HNM" drops also, btw.
Salvage has a lot of great gear, I also enjoy(ed) doing it, but it isn't the end-all be-all that you want it to be.

Oh so now we are back to... hnm for making money, and no more salvage gear comparison. Oh yes ancient torque bt etc can be sold, that's why SE made them rare only! What do you want to prove, again ? That getting a 7M drop out of a mob that you don't claim 100% of the time, doesn't drop 100% of the time, that you have to split bewteen your alliance (and probably the whole LS) is more worth than getting salvage gear ? That's a pretty poor way to make money, but it depends how clever you are I guess.

[FailureMidgard]

maat's cap doesn't drop from an hnm
slenian cap doesn't drop from an hnm
Novio doesn't drop form a hnm,
weskit NQ is not better than errant body

And? The arguments being used here are to use items such as Terra's Staff, which doesn't drop from salvage. If we want to say full HNM gear only vs full Salvage gear only, we're entering an area that isn't worth talking about, because nobody is -that- stupid. The point is that Morrigan's Coronal isn't worth the gil to create, not that a better head-slot item drops from HNM...also, that Morrigan's Robe isn't worth creating if you already have a Dalmatica but don't have a novio.

Oh so now we are back to... hnm for making money, and no more salvage gear comparison. Oh yes ancient torque bt etc can be sold, that's why SE made them rare only! What do you want to prove, again ? That getting a 7M drop out of a mob that you don't claim 100% of the time, doesn't drop 100% of the time, that you have to split bewteen your alliance (and probably the whole LS) is more worth than getting salvage gear ? That's a pretty poor way to make money, but it depends how clever you are I guess.

We don't claim Sandworm 100% of the time, but we have a pretty high claim rate still. Our DI claim rate is above 95%, as are most our ground claim rates. Also, making about 6mil per week for being afk/tabbed out reading BG over half the time is indeed nice gil, thanks for asking. I'm not going to say it's better gil per manhour than red mage soloing (though I do feel it's better than salvage for gil by far), but it is far better gil for the effort exerted. Fafhogg is not a 3hr camp, it's 3hrs of afking, reading things online, people in school doing homework, etc. Oh yea, every other camp is the same (that, or just send mules there and let mains do other things - single party farm inside sea/etc).

[pchan]

that Morrigan's Robe isn't worth creating if you already have a Dalmatica but don't have a novio.

You can't be serious. /thread.

[FailureMidgard]

You can't be serious. /thread.

How about you respond with logic instead? Assume you have a Dalmatica, do not have a novio, and please tell me how you are justifying the pricetag of a Morrigan's Robe over a Novio? Morrigan's Robe is -only- useful for nuking, or 1/tick refresh idle, no? Well, Novio is going to give you more damage for your gil than Morrigan's Robe, hate to break it to you...

[pchan]

Join a Sea LS ? And morrigan's is not only useful for nuking.

[Snick]

F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

[Cairthenn]

For the first time in history, I personally follow the logic Pchan is using, even though I acknowledge that Novio would provide more of an advantage.

I see less point in buying something that I know can be obtained through other means (Novio is a good example). Morrigan's Robe, however, must be paid for - there's no way around it.

[Secksi]

For the first time in history, I personally follow the logic Pchan is using, even though I acknowledge that Novio would provide more of an advantage.

I see less point in buying something that I know can be obtained through other means (Novio is a good example). Morrigan's Robe, however, must be paid for - there's no way around it.

Solo 30k/hr on imps and then solo the ISNM's for khroma.

[Xera]

Join a Sea LS ? And morrigan's is not only useful for nuking.

WS body?

Morrigan's Robe, however, must be paid for - there's no way around it.

Get a LS that sponsors it? Granted its still paid for, just not by yourself and then again you're missing out some opportunity cost of pay outs.

[FailureMidgard]

Join a Sea LS ? And morrigan's is not only useful for nuking.

What else is it used for? Why is Sea more worth doing than HNM? I'm sure I can make the gil from HNM to buy a Novio faster than I can get a Novio from joining a fresh sea LS. And if you missed my point as far as salvage goes, time=gil, which you seem to realize, if you farmed gil instead of doing salvage, you could look at that as farming a Novio, no?

For the first time in history, I personally follow the logic Pchan is using, even though I acknowledge that Novio would provide more of an advantage.

I see less point in buying something that I know can be obtained through other means (Novio is a good example). Morrigan's Robe, however, must be paid for - there's no way around it.

Sorry, if it's that worth it to get Novios that it isn't worth buying it, then that means whatever activity you are doing to farm gil is in fact a less effective way of obtaining gil than farming and selling Novios. They have the same gil value whether you earn it from a LS, or buy it.

[Cairthenn]

But one you pay for out of your own pocket.

[drwaffles]

For the first time in history, I personally follow the logic Pchan is using

I told you this logic was fucking stupid already, yet you continue to assert that it's not even after it causes you to fall in line with pchan's philosophy?

[Demosthenes11]

im still laughing at a blanket statement like "morrigan is best blm nuking head"

is that a language barrier or an intelligence barrier?

[Thorny]

aren't you in that one terrible shell that brags about selling everything? if so dalmatica should be worth more than 1m to you

edit: why the fuck does every thread turn into a failure thorny and pchan shit fest, can we just ban all 3 of these stupid shits?

what have you ever contributed to bg and why does anyone give a shit what you have to say?

A lot of us don't really do HNM because we are desperate for gear - we do it because it's really easy gil. 7m for a Tongue/Egg, 20+m for ebodies, 35m for ridill, 5m for nhead, etc, and it takes little to no effort once we are established. I'm assuming you bought a Black Tathlum at some point, a lot of people want Ancient Torques, those are "HNM" drops also, btw.

The point was clearly that Dalmatica costs more than 1m. I'm not sure if you lumped the costs of Machas/Bodbs/Nemains robe vs Abody or what, but the best deal you're going to get on an abody is 6-8mil, while the going rate on macha's is 3-4m.

Not that it's hugely relevant, I have morri on my main since it also has BLU/BLM, bought a dalm on mule to save gil since it's only RDM.

[The_OG_Nelta]

1/22 ffs

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inb4 useless axe

[FailureMidgard]

what have you ever contributed to bg and why does anyone give a shit what you have to say?

He isn't even worth responding to...

The point was clearly that Dalmatica costs more than 1m. I'm not sure if you lumped the costs of Machas/Bodbs/Nemains robe vs Abody or what, but the best deal you're going to get on an abody is 6-8mil, while the going rate on macha's is 3-4m.

Not that it's hugely relevant, I have morri on my main since it also has BLU/BLM, bought a dalm on mule to save gil since it's only RDM.

Was assuming doing salvage = free 35/25/15, being in an HNM shell = free abody abj. Whereas what I said about Novio applies 100%, it isn't so black and white with r/e drops, as they are only worth that whenever there is a buyer around. We try our best to get buyers for as much as we can, but it seems quite near impossible to always have a buyer (and in fact, I think we've only ever had 1 abody buyer since I joined the shell, who we never even managed to get 1 for). It's ~1mil for a Cursed Dalmatica, and ~15mil for materials for a Morrigan's Robe.

[Mairja]

DORP!

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Am happy! :D

[Cairthenn]

I told you this logic was fucking stupid already, yet you continue to assert that it's not even after it causes you to fall in line with pchan's philosophy?

Yes, because it makes perfect sense to me.