Shadow Mantle Proc Rate

[Kirschy]

Was running some pdif tests, and got some more mantle data:

Test 1: 111/1638 = 6.78%(Original Test on Puks)
Test 2: 84/1521 = 5.52%(Crabs)
Test 3: 126/2080 = 6.06%(Crabs)

Total: 321/5,239 = 6.13%

[Kidnoftle]

No it's not


Implies that boxers outperforms shadow mantle in terms of damage mitigation when block rate is not capped.

Was more in response to whether it should be used in an ichi set.

Edit: Or in any casting set where you cap out proc rate

[Neosutra]

Was more in response to whether it should be used in an ichi set.

Edit: Or in any casting set where you cap out proc rate

Pro-tip, you arent capped on shield block rate on anything that matters. And shadow mantle wins regardless. Use boxers when you're doing lower level stuff or soloing /rdm, use shadow mantle for everything else. Until SE comes out with a defending ring back piece, there isnt much other options for pure damage mitigation for pld.

[Klutz]

Spoiler: show

Well, now we have conclusive evidence. In addition to the 0 damage procs and the half damage procs, shadow mantle even has +25% damage taken procs. Furthermore, I think it's safe to say that since you wear shadow mantle on your back, and you were kiting at the time, the proc rate of shadow mantle goes up when the mob attacks you from behind, it just fits perfectly with all the data we have!

/sarcasm.

WHY DIDN'T YOU SAVE ALKALINEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

[Kidnoftle]

Pro-tip, you arent capped on shield block rate on anything that matters. And shadow mantle wins regardless. Use boxers when you're doing lower level stuff or soloing /rdm, use shadow mantle for everything else. Until SE comes out with a defending ring back piece, there isnt much other options for pure damage mitigation for pld.

Maybe I'm completely missing something. Why would I use boxers on things that I can cap shield regardless (The lower level things you mentioned, which is a pretty vague statement) over Shadow mantle? I realize that for pure dmg mitigation shadow mantle would be best (barring the release of any amount of pdt-% on a back piece) but then why would I use it over boxers for casting (the subject I was discussing) when that would basically be betting on the 6% chance of null dmg vs a constant increase to shield skill?

Explain?

[Thorny]

when that would basically be betting on the 6% chance of null dmg vs a constant increase to shield skill?

bro, last i checked shield skill is also a roll

hurr faulty logic

[Kidnoftle]

bro, last i checked shield skill is also a roll

hurr faulty logic

I realize that. So, 6% chance to proc compounded with nothing > 10shield skill compounded with base capped skill in situations with the ability to cap or come close to capping shield procs for casting?

I know that shadow mantle is the better choice when you don't have a prayer for capping rate.

Ps. I'm not your bro, brah.

[Therin]

When people asked me what the proc rate was, I always said 7% from eye-balling. Glad to know I was fairly close.

[Velecic]

I know this may not be true, and I don't really feel like testing it myself, I was curious though since it wasn't answered elsewhere in this thread, I also have observed / heard that the lower your HP (yellow, orange, red) the higher the % proc rate of Shadow Mantle as a hidden effect, can anyone confirm or deny this?

I was wondering if anyone would be willing to test this, though it'd be kind of hard to do so... I do know one thing for sure, and that's that my Mantle seems to proc awfully often when I'm in orange/red and about to die, it's saved my life countless times on multiple jobs, usually BLM.

Call it bias if you want, but I can say pretty confidently that it procs a whole lot more than 6% of the time when I'm in red, that or I take a whole lot more hits in red than I realize =P

Could dig out screenshots but I'd have to go through my folders... I can think of a bunch just off the top of my head, a memorable one being duo JoFaith where I got a proc with 3 HP and lived after getting smacked because I got hit by stupor spores. Maybe I just WANT it to be true, but it does seem to activate more in lower HP, would love to see testing done.

[Byphareast]

Call it bias if you want, but I can say pretty confidently that it procs a whole lot more than 6% of the time when I'm in red, that or I take a whole lot more hits in red than I realize =P

I dont have any data to back myself up but I too feel that the proc rate goes up as HP goes down. I've heard the same from a few other mantle holders as well.

[Byrthnoth]

I've heard people notice not dying a lot more than they notice getting hit for 0 when it doesn't matter.

[Thorny]

I heard 0s on stoneskin don't register on the mantle justification scale. If you're dying, stoneskin tends to be down /shrug. I haven't noticed any variation in mine based on hp, but i went back to umbra anyway.

[Velecic]

I don't have stoneskin on BLM/NIN and mantle procs a lot when I'm orange / red, especially when I'm low enough the hit would kill me /shrug. Even if it isn't true I'll stick with my placebo <3

[avelle]

6% of the time, it works every time.

[Enedin]

6% of the time, it works every time.

"The doctors say there's a 50% chance he'll make it. But there's only 10% chance on that."

Naked gun!

[FailureMidgard]

I don't have stoneskin on BLM/NIN and mantle procs a lot when I'm orange / red, especially when I'm low enough the hit would kill me /shrug. Even if it isn't true I'll stick with my placebo <3

Placebo is only a good thing in medicine, sorry.

[TheMysteriousX]

Placebo is only a good thing in medicine, sorry.

Almost, it's confirmation bias.

[Tomasello]

6% of the time, it works every time.

Statistically, though highly improbable, its possible for it not to proc at all.

[Byrthnoth]

Almost, it's confirmation bias.

I vote for placebo effect! http://www.newsweek.com/id/232781

[Tsuko_Asura]

A page too late, but Konda, stop posting. Thanks.